Relating to Duality in Vector Spaces

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The discussion revolves around the concept of duality in vector spaces, specifically focusing on the relationship between vectors and their representations as functions on a basis. Participants explore the implications of defining vectors in terms of their coefficients with respect to a basis and the properties of linear functionals in this context. The scope includes theoretical aspects of linear algebra and functional analysis.

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  • One participant introduces the notation and definitions related to vector spaces and their bases, specifically discussing the mapping M from functions to vectors.
  • Another participant suggests that if f is expressed as a sum over the basis B, then the coefficients must be zero for all basis elements, leading to a potential contradiction.
  • Further contributions explore the implications of the Kronecker delta function in defining coefficients, proposing that the coefficients are zero for all basis elements except for the specific element f.
  • Some participants discuss the behavior of elements in l_c(B) as linear combinations of basis elements and the role of M^{-1} in this representation.
  • A later reply introduces a related exercise involving linear functionals and their relationship to the earlier discussion, questioning how these concepts fit together.

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Participants express differing views on the implications of the coefficients being zero for all basis elements. While some suggest this leads to a contradiction, others propose a resolution through the use of the Kronecker delta. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the broader implications of these relationships and how they connect to the dual space.

Contextual Notes

Participants note the potential for confusion regarding the definitions and properties of linear functionals and their relationship to the vector space and its basis. There are unresolved questions about the connections between l_c(B) and the dual space V*.

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This subject came up in some notes on linear algebra I'm reading and I don't get it. Please help me understand.

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First, the relevant background and notation relating to my question:

Let S be a nonempty set and F be a field. Denote by l(S) the family of all F-valued functions on S and l_c(S) the family of all functions mapping S to F with finite support; that is, those functions on S which are nonzero at only finitely many elements of S.

Now let V be a vector space with (over F) with basis B. Define M : l_{c}(B) \rightarrow V by M(v) = sum_{e \in B}v(e)e.

Note that l(B) (under pointwise operations) is a vector space, l_c(B) is a vector subspace of l(B), and M is an isomorphism.

If we write v for M(v) we see that v = sum_{e \in B}v(e)e.

We will go further and use M to identify V with l_c(B) and write v = sum_{e \in B}v(e)e. That is, in a vector space with basis we will treat a vector as a scalar valued function on its basis.

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And now here is the question: according to the above, what is the value of f(e) when e and f are elements of the basis B? (And most importantly, why?)
 
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Writing [tex]\hat{f}[/tex] for [tex]M^{-1}(f)[/tex]...

The relevant equation here is that
[tex]f = \sum_{e \in B} \hat{f}(e) e[/tex]

Knowing that B is a basis, what does that tell you?
 
If [tex]f = \sum_{e \in B} \hat{f}(e)e[/tex] then since B is a basis we must have [tex]\hat{f}(e) = 0[/tex] for all e in B.

Yes? No?
 
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mosenja said:
If [tex]f = \sum_{e \in B} \hat{f}(e)e[/tex] then since B is a basis we must have [tex]\hat{f}(e) = 0[/tex] for all e in B.

Yes? No?

Well, you can check yourself! What happens if you plug that in for [tex]\hat{f}[/tex]?
 
Well if [tex]\hat{f}(e) = 0[/tex] for all [tex]e \in B[/tex], I'm lead to unsatisfactory conclusion that [tex]f = 0[/tex]. (Unsatisfactory since f is, by assumption, a member of the basis B; 0 is never a member of a linearly independent set.)

Hrmm... If we write the following:

[tex]f = (\sum_{e \in B - \{f\}}\hat{f}(e)e) + \hat{f}(e)f[/tex]

it seems clear that [tex]\hat{f}(e) = 0[/tex] whenever [tex]e \in B - \{f\}[/tex] (that is [tex]e \neq f[/tex]) and [tex]\hat{f}(e) = 1[/tex] whenever [tex]e = f[/tex]; more concisely: [tex]\hat{f}(e) = \delta_{ef}[/tex] (Kronecker delta).
 
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That looks reasonable. That formula for [tex]\hat{f}(e)[/tex] is a well-defined function of both f and e, and [tex]M(\hat{f}) = f[/tex] as desired.

So, your question is settled, then?
 
Incidentally, can you see how an element of lc(B) behaves as if it was a "linear combination in the elements of B"? And how M-1 acts as the function that "writes a vector as a linear combination of basis elements"?
 
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Incidentally, can you see how an element of lc(B) behaves as if it was a "linear combination in the elements of B"? And how M-1 acts as the function that "writes a vector as a linear combination of basis elements"?

Not quite sure what you mean.

And actually I have another 'exercise' with which I need help; it appears to be related to the above question.

Let v be a nonzero vector in a vector space V and E be a basis for V which contains the vector v. Then there exists a linear functional [tex]\phi \in V^*[/tex] (the dual of V) such that [tex]\phi(v) = 1[/tex] and [tex]\phi(e) = 0[/tex] for every [tex]e \in E - \{v\}[/tex].

Now this function [tex]\phi[/tex] seems somewhat similar to the [tex]f, \hat{f}[/tex] about which we spoke of earlier. But I'm having trouble seeing it all fits together; in particular how [tex]l_c(B)[/tex] relates to the dual of V, and also how to define [tex]\phi[/tex].

By the way, in case you were wondering, the 'goal' of the section of the notes from which I'm drawing these questions is to prove what the author is calling the "Riesz-Fréchet theorem for vector spaces".
 

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