Relation between adiabatic approximation and imaginary time

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The discussion centers on the relationship between the adiabatic approximation in quantum many-body systems and the description of interacting Green's functions in quantum field theory (QFT). Participants explore the implications of temperature on these frameworks, particularly focusing on the transition from zero temperature to finite temperature scenarios.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant presents two different descriptions of interacting Green's functions in QFT and quantum many-body systems, questioning the connection between them.
  • Another participant suggests that the challenge lies in the assumption of zero temperature in ordinary QFT, noting that finite temperature requires a statistical mechanics approach.
  • It is proposed that the concept of temperature can be reinterpreted as imaginary time, linking statistical mechanics to scattering processes.
  • A request for recommended materials is made to further understand the topic.
  • Additional resources are provided, including a Wikipedia link and a dissertation, emphasizing the complexities introduced by finite temperature in thermal field theory.
  • One participant elaborates on the implications of finite temperature, stating that the definition of "in" and "out" states becomes complicated due to the presence of particles at all times.

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Participants express differing views on the implications of temperature in QFT and its relationship to the adiabatic approximation, indicating that multiple competing perspectives remain without a clear consensus.

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The discussion highlights limitations in understanding the transition from zero to finite temperature, particularly regarding the definitions of states and interactions in QFT versus statistical mechanics.

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Regarding interacting green's function, I found two different description:

1. usually in QFT:
[itex]<\Omega|T\{ABC\}|\Omega>=\lim\limits_{T \to \infty(1-i\epsilon)}\frac{<0|T\{A_IB_I U(-T,T)\}|0>}{<0|T\{U(-T,T)\}|0>}[/itex]

2. usually in quantum many body systems:
[itex]<\Omega|T\{ABC\}|\Omega>=\frac{<0|T\{A_IB_I S\}|0>}{<0|T\{S\}|0>}[/itex]
where interaction is switched off at ##T=\pm\infty## (adiabatic approximation)

Is there any connection between the two descriptions?
 
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yes but it will take weeks of study to get there. Basically the difficulty is that ordinary QFT assumes zero temperature (otherwise there is no longer a definition for asymptotic states. QFT at finite temperarure is basically the interaction of many particles so the proper formalism is Statistical Mechanics, more precisely the expectation over states which can be reinterpretated into a scattering process in time (even though there is no "time" in the expectation value) by the substitution
Temperature = imaginary time
 
thierrykauf said:
yes but it will take weeks of study to get there. Basically the difficulty is that ordinary QFT assumes zero temperature (otherwise there is no longer a definition for asymptotic states. QFT at finite temperarure is basically the interaction of many particles so the proper formalism is Statistical Mechanics, more precisely the expectation over states which can be reinterpretated into a scattering process in time (even though there is no "time" in the expectation value) by the substitution
Temperature = imaginary time
So can you recommend some materials for me?
 
Thermal field theory is a world of its own. Quantum field theory rests on the assumption that you can define an "in" and an "out" state, that is if you go far enough from the interacting region you can speak of an initial unperturbed state and a final state that has been perturbed by the interaction but no longer is. That's because at zero temperature, which is what the vacuum is, you can speak of an unperturbed initial state, but at finite temperature, there are particles everywhere, so the notion of <in|out> with interaction only in between is no longer as simple. Here is a good source for you.
https://workspace.imperial.ac.uk/th...issertations/2011/Yuhao Yang Dissertation.pdf
 

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