Relation between system enthelpy and surrounding entropy

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The discussion centers on the relationship between system enthalpy and surrounding entropy, specifically the equation ΔStotal=ΔSsystem+ΔSsurrounding. It is noted that ΔSsurrounding is expressed as -ΔHsystem/T, leading to confusion about whether ΔHsystem or ΔHsurroundings should be used. Participants agree that ΔHsurroundings is the correct term, as it reflects the change in entropy of the surroundings. The conversation emphasizes the importance of energy conservation in understanding these relationships, ultimately confirming that ΔHsystem and ΔHsurroundings are related by the equation ΔHsystem=-ΔHsurroundings. This clarification is crucial for accurately applying thermodynamic principles.
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Homework Statement


It is given in my book that:
ΔStotal=ΔSsystem+ΔSsurrounding
Where S is entropy.
ΔSsurr=-ΔH/T
Therefore:
ΔStotal=ΔSsystem+[-ΔHsystem/T]

As we can see here that ΔSsurrounding=-ΔHsystem/T
is applied here . But is this relation correct?

Homework Equations


ΔS=qreversible/T
Where qreversible is the heat input which is equal to ΔH(enthalpy) for constant P and T.

The Attempt at a Solution


What I think is that , instead of ΔHsystem there should be ΔHsurroundings
Since the change in entropy of surroundings is taken. Am I correct here?
 
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You you consider system plus the surrounding to be an isolated system and apply conservation of energy, you will find the relation between ΔHsystem and ΔHsurrounding
By the way you are correct here-
mooncrater said:
there should be ΔHsurroundings
And they have not used ΔHsystem instead of ΔHsurrounding They have made use of the energy conservation equation I am talking about.
 
I think the relation you're talking about is
ΔHsystem=-ΔHsurroundings
If energy is taken from the surroundings to the system.
Therefore when:
ΔSsystem=ΔHsystem/T will be equal to minus of ΔHsurroundings
/T
Am I correct here?
 
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