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The discussion revolves around the relationship between a linear map defined by a matrix and its associated properties, such as eigenvalues and eigenvectors. Participants explore the implications of the map $\mu_a$ defined by matrix multiplication and its connection to the spectrum and determinant of the matrix $a$. The scope includes theoretical aspects of linear algebra, particularly focusing on eigenvalues, eigenvectors, and their multiplicities.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants propose that the map $\mu_a$ is a linear operator on the vector space $\mathbb{K}^{m\times n}$, demonstrating its homogeneity and additivity.
  • There is a question regarding the meaning of the relation $\text{Sp}(\mu_a) = n\text{Sp}(a)$ and whether the eigenvalues of $\mu_a$ are the same as those of the matrix $a$.
  • Participants discuss the process of finding eigenvalues and eigenvectors for the matrix $a$ and whether similar methods apply to the map $\mu_a$.
  • One participant suggests that if $\lambda$ is an eigenvalue of $a$, then it may also be an eigenvalue of $\mu_a$ with a multiplicity of $n$.
  • Another participant clarifies that for each eigenvalue of $a$, the transformation $\mu_a$ has the same eigenvalue with potentially more eigenmatrices due to the structure of $c$ having multiple columns.
  • There is a discussion about the need to distinguish between eigenvectors of $a$ and eigenmatrices of $\mu_a$, with some participants suggesting that the columns of an eigenmatrix can be eigenvectors of $a$.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express uncertainty about the relationships between the eigenvalues and eigenvectors of the map $\mu_a$ and the matrix $a$. There is no consensus on the implications of the multiplicities of eigenvalues or the definitions of eigenvectors versus eigenmatrices.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight the need for careful definitions and distinctions when discussing eigenvalues and eigenvectors, particularly in relation to the linear transformation $\mu_a$ and the matrix $a$. The discussion remains open-ended with unresolved questions about the nature of eigenmatrices and their properties.

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Hey! 😊

Let $1\leq m,n\in \mathbb{N}$ and let $\mathbb{K}$ be a field.

For $a\in M_m(\mathbb{K})$ we consider the map $\mu_a$ that is defined by \begin{equation*}\mu_a: \mathbb{K}^{m\times n}\rightarrow \mathbb{K}^{m\times n}, \ c\mapsto ac\end{equation*}

I have show that $\mu_a$ is a linear operator on $\mathbb{K}$-vector space $\mathbb{K}^{m\times n}$ :

Let $\lambda \in \mathbb{K}$, $c, c_1, c_2\in \mathbb{K}^{m\times n}$.

$\mu_a$ is homogeneous : \begin{equation*}\mu_a\left (\lambda c\right )=a\left (\lambda c\right )=\lambda \left (ac\right )=\lambda \mu_a(c)\end{equation*}
$\mu_a$ is additive : \begin{equation*}\mu_a\left (c_1+c_2\right )=a\left (c_1+c_2\right )=\lambda c_1+\lambda c_2= \mu_a(c_1)+ \mu_a(c_2)\end{equation*}

Next I want to show that $\text{Sp}(\mu_a)=n\text{Sp}(a)$, $\det (\mu_a)=\det (a)^n$ and $P_{\mu_a}=P_a^n$, and that if $a$ is diagonalizable then $\mu_a$ is diagonalizable. ($P$ is the characteristic polynomial.)The spectrum is the set of eigenvalues. What is meant by $\text{Sp}(\mu_a)=n\text{Sp}(a)$ ? The eigenvalues of the map $\mu_a$ are the same as the eigenvalues of the matrix of the map, or not? :unsure:
 
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mathmari said:
$\mu_a$ is additive : ... $a\left (c_1+c_2\right )=\lambda c_1+\lambda c_2$
Hey mathmari!

That's not true is it? (Worried)

mathmari said:
Let $1\leq m,n\in \mathbb{N}$ and let $\mathbb{K}$ be a field.

For $a\in M_m(\mathbb{K})$ we consider the map $\mu_a$ that is defined by \begin{equation*}\mu_a: \mathbb{K}^{m\times n}\rightarrow \mathbb{K}^{m\times n}, \ c\mapsto ac\end{equation*}

The spectrum is the set of eigenvalues. What is meant by $\text{Sp}(\mu_a)=n\text{Sp}(a)$ ? The eigenvalues of the map $\mu_a$ are the same as the eigenvalues of the matrix of the map, or not?

Let's take a look at an example. :geek:

Suppose $m=n=2$ and $a=\begin{pmatrix}2&0\\0&2\end{pmatrix}$.
We find it's eigenvalues and eigenvectors by solving $av=\lambda v$ with $v\in \mathbb K^m$.
What are the eigenvalues and eigenvectors of $a$? 🤔

Can we solve $\mu_a(c)=ac=\lambda c$ with $c\in \mathbb{K}^{m\times n}$ as well and find its eigenvalues and eigenmatrices? :unsure:
 
Klaas van Aarsen said:
That's not true is it? (Worried)

I meant
\begin{equation*}\mu_a\left (c_1+c_2\right )=a\left (c_1+c_2\right )=ac_1+a c_2= \mu_a(c_1)+ \mu_a(c_2)\end{equation*} Is that wrong? :unsure:
Klaas van Aarsen said:
Let's take a look at an example. :geek:

Suppose $m=n=2$ and $a=\begin{pmatrix}2&0\\0&2\end{pmatrix}$.
We find it's eigenvalues and eigenvectors by solving $av=\lambda v$ with $v\in \mathbb K^m$.
What are the eigenvalues and eigenvectors of $a$? 🤔

Can we solve $\mu_a(c)=ac=\lambda c$ with $c\in \mathbb{K}^{m\times n}$ as well and find its eigenvalues and eigenmatrices? :unsure:

I got stuck right now. Why do we get the eigenvalues and eigenmatrices by $\mu_a(c)=ac=\lambda c$ ? Could you explain that further to me? :unsure:
 
mathmari said:
I meant
\begin{equation*}\mu_a\left (c_1+c_2\right )=a\left (c_1+c_2\right )=ac_1+a c_2= \mu_a(c_1)+ \mu_a(c_2)\end{equation*} Is that wrong?

Nope. It's all correct. Must have been a typo. (Bandit)

mathmari said:
I got stuck right now. Why do we get the eigenvalues and eigenmatrices by $\mu_a(c)=ac=\lambda c$ ? Could you explain that further to me?

Let's go back to the formal definition:
If $T$ is a linear transformation from a vector space $V$ over a field $F$ into itself and $\mathbf v$ is a nonzero vector in $V$, then $\mathbf v$ is an eigenvector of $T$ if $T\mathbf v$ is a scalar multiple of $\mathbf v$. This can be written as
$$T(\mathbf{v}) = \lambda \mathbf{v},$$
where $\lambda$ is a scalar in $F$, known as the eigenvalue, characteristic value, or characteristic root associated with $\mathbf v$.

🧐

We have $T=\mu_a$, $V=\mathbb K^{m\times n}$, and $\mathbf v = c$, don't we?
Doesn't that mean that we can find the eigenvalues $\lambda$ and eigenvectors $c$ by solving $\mu_a(c)=\lambda c$? 🤔
 
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Klaas van Aarsen said:
Let's go back to the formal definition:
If $T$ is a linear transformation from a vector space $V$ over a field $F$ into itself and $\mathbf v$ is a nonzero vector in $V$, then $\mathbf v$ is an eigenvector of $T$ if $T\mathbf v$ is a scalar multiple of $\mathbf v$. This can be written as

$$T(\mathbf{v}) = \lambda \mathbf{v},$$

where $\lambda$ is a scalar in $F$, known as the eigenvalue, characteristic value, or characteristic root associated with $\mathbf v$.

🧐

We have $T=\mu_a$, $V=\mathbb K^{m\times n}$, and $\mathbf v = c$, don't we?
Doesn't that mean that we can find the eigenvalues $\lambda$ and eigenvectors $c$ by solving $\mu_a(c)=\lambda c$? 🤔


So from $\mu_a(c)=\lambda c$ we get $ac=\lambda c$, or not? :unsure:
But what does this mean? That $\lambda$ is also an eigenvalue of $a$ with eigenmatrix $c$ ? :unsure:
 
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We have that $Sp(a)$ is the trace, so it is equal to the sum of the eigenvalues counted with multiplicities.
Does this mean that at $\mu_a$ each eigenvalue $\lambda$ has the multiplicity $n$ ? :unsure:

Do we maybe have the following?

From $\mu_a(c)=\lambda c$ we get $ac=\lambda c$.
So if $\lambda$ is an eigenvalue of $\mu_a$, tthere is a non-zero $c\in\mathbb{K}^{m\times n}$ with $\mu_a(c)=\lambda c$.
The columns of $c$ are all eigenvectors of $a$ with eigenvalue $\lambda$.
The matrix $c$ has $n$ columns.

So for each eigenvalue $\lambda$ of $a$ there are $n$ eigenvectors, so the multiplicity of $\lambda$ is $n$.
The trace of a matrix is the sum of the eigenvalues considering the multiplicity.
Since each eigenvalue of $\mu_a$ has a multiplicity of $n$, it follows that $\text{Sp}(\mu_a)=\sum_i n\cdot \lambda_i=n\cdot \sum_i\lambda $.
Since $\lambda_i$ is the eigenvalue of $a$, it follows that $\text{Sp}(a)=\sum_i\lambda_i$.
Therefore we get $\text{Sp}(\mu_a)=n\cdot \text{Sp}(a)$.

Is everything correct? :unsure: If the above is correct, then we get in a similar way the relation about the determinant:

The determinant is equal to tthe product of the eigenvalues.
Since each eigenvalue of $\mu_a$ has a multiplicity of $n$, it follows that $\det(\mu_a)=\left (\prod_i \lambda_i\right )^n $.
Since $\lambda_i$ are the eigenvalues of $a$, it follows that $\det(a)=\prod_i\lambda_i$.
Therefore we get $\det(\mu_a)=\det(a)^n$.

:unsure:
 
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mathmari said:
We have that $Sp(a)$ is the trace, so it is equal to the sum of the eigenvalues counted with multiplicities.
Does this mean that at $\mu_a$ each eigenvalue $\lambda$ has the multiplicity $n$ ?

Not exactly.
It means that we basically have to prove that for each eigenvalue $\lambda$ of $a$ with algebraic multiplicity $i$, that $\lambda$ is also an eigenvalue of $\mu_a$ and that it has algebraic multiplicity $i\cdot n$. 🤔

mathmari said:
From $\mu_a(c)=\lambda c$ we get $ac=\lambda c$.
So if $\lambda$ is an eigenvalue of $\mu_a$, tthere is a non-zero $c\in\mathbb{K}^{m\times n}$ with $\mu_a(c)=\lambda c$.
The columns of $c$ are all eigenvectors of $a$ with eigenvalue $\lambda$.
The matrix $c$ has $n$ columns.

Just to be clear: the $c$ we have here is an eigenvector of $\mu_a$. Let's call it an "eigenmatrix" to avoid confusion.
The columns of $c$ are not eigenvectors of $\mu_a$, but instead they are eigenvectors of $a$.

mathmari said:
So for each eigenvalue $\lambda$ of $a$ there are $n$ eigenvectors, so the multiplicity of $\lambda$ is $n$.

This is not exactly true.
Again we need to be careful when talking about eigenvectors. Are they eigenvectors of $a$ or eigenvectors of $\mu_a$?
More specifically we have the following.
For each eigenvalue $\lambda$ of $a$, the matrix $a$ has up to $m$ eigenvectors.
For each eigenvalue $\lambda$ of $a$, the transformation $\mu_a$ has the same eigenvalue $\lambda$ with up to $m\cdot n$ eigenmatrices.
That is because an eigenmatric $c$ has $n$ columns. We can pick one of them to be an eigenvector of $a$ and set the other columns to zero.Here's a different approach.
We can "unroll" $\mu_a$ into a regular matrix.
To do so we rewrite each matrix $c\in \mathbb K^{m\times n}$ as a vector in $\mathbb K^{mn}$ by writing each column below the previous column.
And we construct a new matrix $\tilde a$ that is a block matrix with $a$ repeated $n$ times along its diagonal.
Now we can find the eigenvalues and eigenvectors of $\tilde a$, and afterwards we can "roll" the eigenvectors back into eigenmatrices. 🤔
 
Klaas van Aarsen said:
Not exactly.
It means that we basically have to prove that for each eigenvalue $\lambda$ of $a$ with algebraic multiplicity $i$, that $\lambda$ is also an eigenvalue of $\mu_a$ and that it has algebraic multiplicity $i\cdot n$. 🤔

How could we do that? Is this because of the number of columns of $c$ ? :unsure:
Klaas van Aarsen said:
Just to be clear: the $c$ we have here is an eigenvector of $\mu_a$. Let's call it an "eigenmatrix" to avoid confusion.
The columns of $c$ are not eigenvectors of $\mu_a$, but instead they are eigenvectors of $a$.

Again we need to be careful when talking about eigenvectors. Are they eigenvectors of $a$ or eigenvectors of $\mu_a$?
More specifically we have the following.
For each eigenvalue $\lambda$ of $a$, the matrix $a$ has up to $m$ eigenvectors.
For each eigenvalue $\lambda$ of $a$, the transformation $\mu_a$ has the same eigenvalue $\lambda$ with up to $m\cdot n$ eigenmatrices.
That is because an eigenmatric $c$ has $n$ columns. We can pick one of them to be an eigenvector of $a$ and set the other columns to zero.

Ahh ok!
Klaas van Aarsen said:
Here's a different approach.
We can "unroll" $\mu_a$ into a regular matrix.
To do so we rewrite each matrix $c\in \mathbb K^{m\times n}$ as a vector in $\mathbb K^{mn}$ by writing each column below the previous column.
And we construct a new matrix $\tilde a$ that is a block matrix with $a$ repeated $n$ times along its diagonal.
Now we can find the eigenvalues and eigenvectors of $\tilde a$, and afterwards we can "roll" the eigenvectors back into eigenmatrices. 🤔

I haven't really understood this approach. Could you explain that further to me? :unsure:
 
mathmari said:
I haven't really understood this approach. Could you explain that further to me?

Suppose we have $m=n=2$, $a=\begin{pmatrix}2&0\\0&3\end{pmatrix}$, and $c_1=\begin{pmatrix}1&0\\0&0\end{pmatrix}$.
Then we have $ac_1=\begin{pmatrix}2&0\\0&3\end{pmatrix}\begin{pmatrix}1&0\\0&0\end{pmatrix}=\begin{pmatrix}2&0\\0&0\end{pmatrix}$ don't we? 🤔
So $c_1$ is an eigenmatrix of $\mu_a$.

We can also write it as: $\tilde a \tilde c_1=\begin{pmatrix}2&0\\0&3\\&&2&0\\&&0&3\end{pmatrix}\begin{pmatrix}1\\0\\0\\0\end{pmatrix}=\begin{pmatrix}2\\0\\0\\0\end{pmatrix}$ can't we? Just by putting the columns of $c_1$ below each other, and by constructing a block matrix $\tilde a$.

Now we can see that $\mu_a$ has eigenvalue $\lambda=2$, which has indeed algebraic multiplicity $n=2$, and we can also find the eigenmatrices that belong to it, can't we? 🤔
 
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Klaas van Aarsen said:
Suppose we have $m=n=2$, $a=\begin{pmatrix}2&0\\0&3\end{pmatrix}$, and $c_1=\begin{pmatrix}1&0\\0&0\end{pmatrix}$.
Then we have $ac_1=\begin{pmatrix}2&0\\0&3\end{pmatrix}\begin{pmatrix}1&0\\0&0\end{pmatrix}=\begin{pmatrix}2&0\\0&0\end{pmatrix}$ don't we? 🤔
So $c_1$ is an eigenmatrix of $\mu_a$.

We can also write it as: $\tilde a \tilde c_1=\begin{pmatrix}2&0\\0&3\\&&2&0\\&&0&3\end{pmatrix}\begin{pmatrix}1\\0\\0\\0\end{pmatrix}=\begin{pmatrix}2\\0\\0\\0\end{pmatrix}$ can't we? Just by putting the columns of $c_1$ below each other, and by constructing a block matrix $\tilde a$.

Now we can see that $\mu_a$ has eigenvalue $\lambda=2$, which has indeed algebraic multiplicity $n=2$, and we can also find the eigenmatrices that belong to it, can't we? 🤔

Is that the better approach for that exercise? Or could we also use the one I started? :unsure:
 
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Can we do that as follows?

Let $\lambda$ be the eigenvalues of $\mu_a$ then $\mu_a(c)=\lambda c$. Then we get $ac=\lambda c$.
So if $\lambda$ is an eigenvalue of $\mu_a$ there is a non-zero $c\in\mathbb{K}^{m\times n}$ with $\mu_a(c)=\lambda c$.
The columns of $c$ are eigenvectors of $c$ with eigenvalue $\lambda$.
The matrix $c$ has $n$ columns.
$c$ is an eigenmatrix of $\mu_a$ and the columns of $c$ are eigenvectors of $a$.
For each eigenvalue $\lambda$ of $a$, the matrix $a$ has up to $m$ eigenvectors.
For each eigenvalue $\lambda$ of $a$, the operator $\mu_a$ has the same eigenvelue $\lambda$ with up to $m\cdot $ eigenmatrices.
So for each eigenvalue $\lambda$ with algebraic multiplicity $i$,tjis $\lambda$ is also an eigenvalue of $\mu_a$ with algebraic mutiplicity $i\cdot n$.

The trace is $\text{Trace}(\mu_a)=\sum_j i\cdot n\cdot \lambda_j=n\cdot \sum_ji\cdot \lambda_j $ and $\text{Trace}(a)=\sum_j i\cdot \lambda_j$.
So we get $\text{Trace}(\mu_a)=n\cdot \text{Trace}(a)$.
The determinant is equal to the product of eigenvalues.
So we have $\det(\mu_a)=\left (\prod_j \lambda_j\right )^{in}=\left (\prod_j \lambda_j^i\right )^{n} $ and $\det(a)=\prod_j\lambda_j^i$. Therefore we get $\det(\mu_a)=\det(a)^n$. The characteristic polynomial of $a$ is $P_a=\prod_j \left (\lambda -\lambda_j\right )^i$, where $i$ is the algebraic multiplicity if the eigenvalues.
The characteristic polynomial of $\mu_a$ is $P_{\mu_a}=\prod_j \left (\lambda -\lambda_j\right )^{in}=\left (\prod_j \left (\lambda -\lambda_j\right )^{i}\right )^n$.
So we get $P_{\mu_a}=P_a^n$.
For the last question:
$a$ is diagonalizable. So the geometric multiplicity equals the algebraic one. In this case $P_a$ splits. The same holds also for $\mu_a$ due to the above results. And so it follows that $\mu_a$ is also diagonalizable.
:unsure:
 

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