Relationship between differential and the operator

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Discussion Overview

The discussion centers on the relationship between the differential \(dx\) and the differential operator \(\frac{d}{dx}\), particularly in the context of calculus and derivatives. Participants explore the implications of multiplying these two entities and their interpretations in various mathematical contexts.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Debate/contested
  • Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions the validity of the statement \(dx \cdot \frac{d}{dx} = 1\) and expresses confusion over its application in specific problems.
  • Another participant clarifies that \(dx \cdot \frac{d}{dx}\) is an operator multiplied by a differential, leading to the differential \(df\) when applied to a function \(f(x)\).
  • A different viewpoint suggests the possibility of interpreting \(dx\) as \(1/\left(\frac{d}{dx}\right)\), raising questions about whether this interpretation is valid.
  • One participant argues against the idea that \(dx \cdot \frac{d}{dx} = 1\), asserting that it should be viewed as a differential operator instead.
  • Another participant recommends reverting to the limit definition of the derivative for clarity in understanding these relationships.
  • A participant introduces a multivariable perspective, suggesting that \(\frac{\partial}{\partial x}\) and \(dx\) can be viewed as unit vectors, although they express uncertainty about this interpretation.
  • One participant discusses the relationship between \(df\) and \(dx\) in the context of linear algebra, explaining how these concepts relate to covectors and coefficients at specific points.
  • A later reply reiterates the initial question about the relationship between \(dx\) and the operator, stating that the professor's assertion is incorrect and clarifying that \(dx \cdot \frac{d}{dx} = d\).

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the relationship between \(dx\) and \(\frac{d}{dx}\), with some supporting the idea that they can be multiplied in a certain way, while others contest this interpretation. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the validity of these relationships.

Contextual Notes

There are limitations in the assumptions made about the operations involving differentials and operators, and the discussion reflects varying levels of comfort with the mathematical concepts involved.

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Is there some sort of relationship between the differential

dx

and the differential operator which means to take the derivative d/dx

if x is a dependent variable? My prof said that dx * d/dx = 1 but that doesn't seem to work out in the case I'm looking at, so I must be missing something.
 
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dx \frac{d}{dx} is just an operator multiplied by a differential. If you apply it to a function f(x), it'll give the differential df, however. So you could call it the function differential operator, I suppose.
 
So then can you take dx = 1/(d/dx)? As in the differential is one over the operator? Or does that not work? I was having trouble making that work out in one of my problems.
 
No, that wouldn't work. I really don't believe it's possible to say that dx d/dx = 1, anyway. If you're really trying to assign it a value, it would be just d, or a differential operator. That is, you're basically saying "the derivative operator with respect to a variable, multiplied by the differential of that variable, is the differential operator".
 
You might want to revert back to the limit definition for the derivative for understanding cases like this.
 
On a multivariable function, \frac{\partial}{\partial x} and \partial x can be thought of as unit vectors. I am still not totally comfortable with the idea, but perhaps this is what your prof was getting at?
 
have you had linear algebra? df is a field of (co)vectors, and dx is a field of standard basis covectors. In this basis, d/dx is the operator that sends f to its field of coefficients in terms of the basis dx. I.e. at every point p, df(p) = df/dx(p) dx.

I.e. at every point df/dx(p) is a number, and at every point df(p) is a covector.

At every point dx(p) is also a covector, and we have at every point, that the number df/dx(p) times the covector dx(p), equals the covector df(p).

so df/dx . dx = df, an equation that holds at every point p.for instance if f(x) = x^2, then df(p) = 2p. dx(p) = df/dx(p) dx(p).
 
wumple said:
Is there some sort of relationship between the differential

dx

and the differential operator which means to take the derivative d/dx

if x is a dependent variable? My prof said that dx * d/dx = 1 but that doesn't seem to work out in the case I'm looking at, so I must be missing something.

Your professor is wrong. dx * d/dx = d. In words, the change [of something] per change in x times the change in x is the change [in the thing].
 

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