Relationship between Refractive index and Inpedance

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The discussion revolves around the relationship between refractive index and impedance in various materials, exploring theoretical implications and practical calculations. Participants examine both non-conductive and conductive materials, considering how these properties interact in different contexts.

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  • Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions the relationship between refractive index and impedance, seeking clarification on how these quantities relate in a given material.
  • Another participant asserts that refractive index and impedance are unrelated properties, citing examples of non-conductive liquids with varying refractive indexes compared to conductive materials.
  • A participant introduces the concept of characteristic impedance in free space and proposes a formula for the impedance of a dielectric material based on its refractive index.
  • A follow-up post discusses the impedance of metals, presenting a formula that incorporates angular frequency, permeability, and conductivity, while expressing uncertainty about discrepancies with textbook information.
  • One participant raises a question about the relevance of conductivity in determining impedance and wave behavior in metals, emphasizing the significance of effective permittivity and its imaginary component in conductive materials.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the relationship between refractive index and impedance, with some asserting a connection while others argue for their independence. The discussion remains unresolved, with multiple competing perspectives presented.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight the complexity of the relationship between impedance, refractive index, permittivity, and permeability, noting that assumptions about material properties may affect calculations and interpretations.

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as described in the title, what's the relationship between these 2 quantities in a given material? ty
 
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Did you mean impedance?

Refractive index and impedance are unrelated properties. For example, some non-conductive liquids have higher refractive indexes than tap water (which is conductive) and some lower.

Wai Wong
 
Nice question. I have never thought about this before. The characteristic impedance of free space is Z0 = sqrt(u0/e0) = 377 ohms, where u0 and e0 are the permeability and permittivity of free space. So the characteristic impedance of a dielectric with index of refraction n is
Z= sqrt(u0/n2e0) = Z0/n.
Bob S
 
Thanks Bob,

Im trying to work out the impedance of a typical metal.

and I've narrowed it down to (1-i)a

with a = sqrt ( wuu0 / 2(sigma) ).

where w = angular freq of the incident EM Radiation
u = relative permeability
u0 = free space permeability
sigma = conductivity

if I now use Z = Z0/n to find out refractive index, i can get wave vector k which i can substitute back into the EM radiation equation (assuming plane wave) and I am 99% sure that Z does indeed = Z0/n as you said.

Exp i(kz - wt)

to see how the wave behaves once inside the material. However if I do this. I get something that disagrees with what's in the textbooks...
 
If you are interested in finding impedance or wave behavior, can you ignore the fact the metals are good conductors?

Wai Wong
 
wywong said:
If you are interested in finding impedance or wave behavior, can you ignore the fact the metals are good conductors?

Wai Wong

No, the effective permittivity of a metal contains an imaginary term which has dependence on the material's conductivity, for a metal, this is high, therefore the effective permittivity is highly imaginary.

For a non conducting material its low so essentially the imaginary part of the permittivity can be ignored.

And impedance depends on the refractive index...which in turn depends on the permittivity and permeability.
 

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