Relationship between several operators and their eigenvectors.

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The discussion revolves around the relationship between operators and their eigenvectors, specifically focusing on the operators K, L, and M, where K is defined as the product of L and M, and their commutation relation is given by [L, M] = 1. The original poster seeks to demonstrate that if α is an eigenvector of K with eigenvalue λ, then the vectors x = Lα and y = Mα are also eigenvectors of K, and to find their corresponding eigenvalues.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the need to show that x is an eigenvector of K by manipulating the equation Kx = λ'x. They explore the implications of the commutation relation and how it can be applied to simplify the expression. There are attempts to derive the eigenvalue associated with the new eigenvector x.

Discussion Status

The discussion is active, with participants sharing their attempts and reasoning. Some guidance has been provided, with one participant affirming the correctness of a previous conclusion and suggesting a continuation of the reasoning process. Multiple interpretations of the problem are being explored, particularly regarding the manipulation of the eigenvalue equation.

Contextual Notes

Participants are working under the constraints of the problem statement and the defined operators, with an emphasis on the commutation relation. There is an acknowledgment of the complexity involved in showing the relationships between the eigenvectors and their eigenvalues.

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Homework Statement


operators: K=LM and [L,M]=1

α is an eigenvector of K with eigenvalue λ.

Show that x=Lα and y=Mα are also eigenvectors of K and also find their eigenvalues.


Homework Equations


K=LM
[L,M]=1
Kα=λα


The Attempt at a Solution


I tried, but its not even worth putting up here.
 
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You have to show that x eigenvector of K which means Kx=λ'x for some λ'.

Kx=KLα = LMLα
Try to modify that equation (using [L,M]=1) until you can use Kα=λα and simplify.
 
So, am I doing this right?
Starting with: Kx=λ'x where x=Lα

Kx=KLα=LMLα ===> using K=LM

=L(LM-1)α=LLMα-Lα ===>using [L,M]=1

=LKα-Lα
Now going back to Kx=λ'x
LKα-Lα=λ'Lα

LKα=(λ'+1)Lα

Finally,

Kα=L-1(λ'+1)Lα

since λ'+1 is a constant,

Kα=(λ'+1)L-1
Kα=(λ'+1)α

so λ'=λ-1.

is that correct?
 
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aop12 said:
So, am I doing this right?
Starting with: Kx=λ'x where x=Lα

Kx=KLα=LMLα ===> using K=LM

=L(LM-1)α=LLMα-Lα ===>using [L,M]=1

=LKα-Lα
...

Good start! And correct finish!

But I would have continued like this:

= Lλα - Lα since Kα = λα.

= (λ - 1)Lα since λ commutes with the operator L.

Hence K(Lα) = (λ - 1)Lα, showing that Lα is an eigenvector of operator K with eigenvalue (λ - 1).
 

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