Relationship of particle charge to speed?

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The problem involves the relationship between the charge of a particle and its speed as it moves in the electric field created by a positively charged rod. The scenario considers two particles with different charges but the same mass, released from the same point and observed at another point in the field.

Discussion Character

  • Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking, Mathematical reasoning

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  • Participants discuss the relevance of potential energy and kinetic energy equations in determining the speed of the second particle compared to the first. Questions arise regarding the effect of charge on potential energy and kinetic energy.

Discussion Status

Some participants have offered guidance on using the change in potential energy to analyze the problem. There is an ongoing exploration of how the change in potential energy relates to the kinetic energy of the particles, with differing interpretations of the implications of increased charge on speed.

Contextual Notes

Participants are considering the implications of constant potential difference and the effects of charge on energy transformations. There is uncertainty regarding the correct interpretation of potential energy changes as the particles move in the electric field.

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The four points shown in the attached picture are near a positively charged rod (shaded circle). Points W and Y are equidistant from the rod, as are points X and Z. A charged particle with mass 3.0 x 10^-8 kg is released from rest at point W and later observed to pass point X.
Suppose the magnitude of the charge is 2 microcoloumbs and that the speed of the particle is 40 m/s as it passes point X. Suppose that a second particle with the same mass as the first but NINE times the CHARGE were released from rest at point W. Would the speed of the second particle as it passes point X be greater than, less than, or equal to the speed of the first particle (with charge of 2 microcoulombs) as it passes point X?


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From KE = 1/2 (mv^2), I know that charge is not involved here, and since mass is the same, I believe the speed of the second particle is equal to the speed of the first particle.
However, I'm not sure if I should be using this equation to make a relationship between speed and charge. Other possible equations to use may be: U(potential energy) = qV, and W = -qEd = ΔU
Am I on the right track?

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yes, you need to use the 'other possible equations'. You've got ΔU=qΔV This is the change in potential energy, so what will be the change in kinetic energy? Also, is ΔV the same or different in the two situations?
 
ΔV is constant for both situations. So if I use ΔU = qΔV, when charge increases, ΔU has to increase also, which means kinetic energy has decreased. Since KE has decreased, and we know that KE = 1/2 mv^2, the speed of the second particle will be less than the speed of the second particle. I hope I'm correct here?
 
Yes, the ΔV is the same in both situations.
temptasian said:
So if I use ΔU = qΔV, when charge increases, ΔU has to increase also, which means kinetic energy has decreased. Since KE has decreased, and we know that KE = 1/2 mv^2, the speed of the second particle will be less than the speed of the second particle.
But this isn't right. Think about the sign of ΔU. The particle is being pushed away from the rod, so how does the potential change when the particle moves away from the rod?
 

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