Relative Density of Glycerin: 66 kg / 1000kg/m3 = 0.066

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The discussion revolves around calculating the relative density of glycerin using the mass of a receptacle when filled with different liquids, specifically water and glycerin. The subject area includes concepts of density, relative density, and the relationship between mass and volume.

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  • Participants explore the relationship between mass, volume, and density, questioning how to apply the given data to the relative density formula. Some suggest using symbols for unknown volumes and others discuss the significance of the reference density of water.

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The discussion is active, with participants attempting to clarify their understanding of the problem. Some have provided guidance on how to approach the calculations, while others are still grappling with the implications of the data provided.

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Participants note that the volume of the receptacle is not explicitly given, leading to discussions about using symbols in calculations. There is also a focus on the reference density of water being 1000 kg/m³ and its relevance to the problem.

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A receptacle has a mass of 3 kg when it is empty, 53 kg when it is filled with water, and 66 kg when it is filled with glycerin. Calculate the relative density of glycerine.
I know the formula to find out the relative density.
d= absolute density / reference density ( 1000kg/m3)
 
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What do the data tell you about the mass and volume of each liquid?

You say ##Relative\ Density_x= \frac{density_x}{reference\ density}##
Do you know another formula for density, relating it to mass and volume?
Can you use that and your data to substitute into your RD formula?
 
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Merlin3189 said:
What do the data tell you about the mass and volume of each liquid?

You say ##Relative\ Density_x= \frac{density_x}{reference\ density}##
Do you know another formula for density, relating it to mass and volume?
Can you use that and your data to substitute into your RD formula?

Density is mass / volume but the volume is not given.
 
But the receptacle has a certain volume, even if you don't know what it is. Just use a symbol for it, like v.
 
Also, why is the reference density 1000kg/m3?
 
Merlin3189 said:
But the receptacle has a certain volume, even if you don't know what it is. Just use a symbol for it, like v.

Ok so : relative density = 66kg/ v / 1000 kg/ m3 ?
 
Merlin3189 said:
Also, why is the reference density 1000kg/m3?
Because it is filled with water. And the reference for water is 1000kg/ m3? or Am I wrong ?
 
Ok. So the 1000 kg/m3 is not helpful here. You have some more info in the data.
 
Merlin3189 said:
Ok. So the 1000 kg/m3 is not helpful here. You have some more info in the data.
I didn't leave out any info . I just copied what was written on my textbook
 
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Your receptacle has volume = ? It holds mass of glycerin = ? It holds mass of water = ?
Then, from your data, density of glycerin = ? and density of water = ?
 
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Merlin3189 said:
Your receptacle has volume = ? It holds mass of glycerin = ? It holds mass of water = ?
Then, from your data, density of glycerin = ? and density of water = ?
Sorry I don't understand :(
 
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Given: receptacle mass = 3 kg (empty), 53 kg filled with water, 66 kg filled with glycerin
So: receptacle volume = v , water volume = v, glycerin volume = v
and water mass = ? , glycerin mass = ?
So density of water = ? and density of glycerin = ?
Finally RDglycerin = (density of glycerin) / (density of water) = ? / ? = ?
 
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Merlin3189 said:
Given: receptacle mass = 3 kg (empty), 53 kg filled with water, 66 kg filled with glycerin
So: receptacle volume = v , water volume = v, glycerin volume = v
and water mass = ? , glycerin mass = ?
So density of water = ? and density of glycerin = ?
Finally RDglycerin = (density of glycerin) / (density of water) = ? / ? = ?
mass water = 53-3 =50 kg water, mass glycerin = 66-3-53 = 10 kg
density of water = 50kg / v density of glycerin = 10kg/ v
 
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mass glycerin = 66-3-53 is not correct.
Mass of water = mass of container full of water - mass of container = 53 - 3 = 50 kg
Mass of glycerin = mass of container full of glycerin ...
 
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Merlin3189 said:
mass glycerin = 66-3-53 is not correct.
Mass of water = mass of container full of water - mass of container = 53 - 3 = 50 kg
Mass of glycerin = mass of container full of glycerin ...
mass of glycerin = 66 kg-3kg =63 kg glycerin
 
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So now density of glycerin ##= \frac{63}{v}## and density of water ##= \frac{50}{v}## and you can work out RD = density G / density W
 
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Merlin3189 said:
So now density of glycerin ##= \frac{63}{v}## and density of water ##= \frac{50}{v}## and you can work out RD = density G / density W

Now I get . Thank you very much sir !

d= 63v/50v = 1.260
 
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Not quite! You got the right idea, but 63/50 is less than 2

##RD_g =\frac {density_g}{density_w} = \frac{\frac{63}{v}}{\frac{50}{v}}=\frac{63}{50}=##
 
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Merlin3189 said:
Not quite! You got the right idea, but 63/50 is less than 2

##RD_g =\frac {density_g}{density_w} = \frac{\frac{63}{v}}{\frac{50}{v}}=\frac{63}{50}=##
Yes sorry it was mistake. I did have 1.260 as answer but i mistyped it . Thank you very much. And sorry it took quite long for me to understand
 
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Oops! I obviously typed that last post wrongly as well. Anyhow ..
That was a long way round to get there. The crucial thing about this question is that you have equal volumes of the two liquids.
So the ratio of the densities is the same as the ratio of the masses.
$$ RD_x = \frac {mass_x}{mass_w}$$ where massx and massw are for equal volumes.
PS. It doesn't matter taking time, so long as you understand in the end. On PF I can't just tell you an answer, I have to try to lead you to it.
 
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Merlin3189 said:
Oops! I obviously typed that last post wrongly as well. Anyhow ..
That was a long way round to get there. The crucial thing about this question is that you have equal volumes of the two liquids.
So the ratio of the densities is the same as the ratio of the masses.
$$ RD_x = \frac {mass_x}{mass_w}$$ where massx and massw are for equal volumes.
PS. It doesn't matter taking time, so long as you understand in the end. On PF I can't just tell you an answer, I have to try to lead you to it.
I was wondering why you didn't gave me correct answer right away . But u did a good thing. I understand it better now .
 
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Nanu Nana said:
I was wondering why you didn't gave me correct answer right away . But u did a good thing. I understand it better now .

He is not allowed to do that; it is very much against the PF Rules. Those rules are there precisely so you can make a statement like in your last sentence above!
 
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Ray Vickson said:
He is not allowed to do that; it is very much against the PF Rules. Those rules are there precisely so you can make a statement like in your last sentence above!

Oh Sorry I didn't know .Thank you for informing me
 

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