Relative Error Propogation in Equations

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The discussion revolves around the propagation of relative error in the context of a nonlinear equation used in atomic spectra experiments, specifically the equation \(\lambda = d \times \sin(\theta)\). Participants are examining the expression for relative error in wavelength, \(\frac{\Delta \lambda}{\lambda}\), and its derivation, as well as addressing potential discrepancies in the formulation presented in a laboratory manual.

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  • One participant expresses confusion about the relative error expression \(\frac{\Delta \lambda}{\lambda} = \sqrt{(\frac{\Delta \theta}{\theta})^2 + (\frac{\Delta d}{d})^2}\) and requests a demonstration of its validity.
  • Another participant points out a potential error in the notation, suggesting that the correct expression should be \(\frac{\lambda}{\Delta \lambda}\) instead of \(\frac{\Delta \lambda}{\lambda}\), and discusses the implications of using the root-sum-squares formula based on normal distribution assumptions.
  • A later reply acknowledges a mistake in LaTeX formatting and seeks clarification on rigorous formulations related to standard deviation and error propagation.
  • One participant mentions the term "maximum relative error" used in the laboratory manual, suggesting it may contradict the previously discussed expressions.
  • Another participant questions how the term "maximum relative error" poses a contradiction, indicating a need for further clarification on this point.

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Participants do not reach a consensus on the correct expression for relative error or the implications of the term "maximum relative error." Multiple competing views remain regarding the appropriate formulation and its derivation.

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Participants express uncertainty regarding the assumptions underlying the error propagation formulas, particularly concerning the distribution of errors and the conditions under which the formulas apply. There is also mention of formatting issues that may affect clarity in the discussion.

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Greetings,

In atomic spectra experiment I came across with error propagation in the nonlinear equation:
[itex]\lambda=d\times\sin(\theta)[/itex] which gives the wavelength when first order constructive interference is observed at a given angle with respect to the normal of the plane of the grating. The relative error I am interested in is [itex]\frac{\Delta \lambda}{\lambda}[/itex]. In the laboratory manual it is stated without proof to be:

[itex]\frac{\Delta \lambda}{\lambda}=\sqrt{(\frac{\Delta \theta}{\theta})^2+(\frac{\Delta d}\{d})^2}[/itex] I am pretty confused about it since I could not manage to verify it. I need a demonstration on why the relative error in wavelength is given by the preceding expression. I would be glad if anyone can guide me with references or suggestions.

Thanks in advance
 
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Septim said:
In atomic spectra experiment I came across with error propagation in the nonlinear equation:
[itex]\lambda=d\times\sin(\theta)[/itex] which gives the wavelength when first order constructive interference is observed at a given angle with respect to the normal of the plane of the grating. The relative error I am interested in is [itex]\frac{\lambda}{\Delta\lambda}[/itex]. In the laboratory manual it is stated without proof to be [itex]\frac{\lambda}{\Delta\lambda}=\sqrt{(\frac{\theta}{\Delta\theta})^2+(\frac{d}{\Delta d})^2}[/itex]
It's a bit unusual to write the error as [itex]\frac{\lambda}{\Delta\lambda}[/itex]. I'd expect [itex]\frac{\Delta\lambda}{\lambda}[/itex]. Is it possible you got the latex \frac parameters backwards?
Anyway, the root-sum-squares formula results from the assumption that the underlying errors follow roughly a normal distribution, and that the magnitudes of those errors (delta/value) express a multiple of the standard deviation, and the same multiple for each. The root-sum-squares formula then gives you an estimate for that same number of standard deviations for the error in lambda.
OTOH, if you want the absolute range of error in lambda then the correct way is to consider all possible errors in the measured quantities and see what range results. For the present case that would give [itex]\frac{\Delta\lambda}{\lambda} = \frac{\Delta\theta}{\theta}+\frac{\Delta d}{d}[/itex] (all errors assumed to be expressed as > 0).
 
Thanks for the answer.You are definitely right, owing to the fact that I am a Latex Newbie, I got the parameters backwards, I would correct them ASAP. By the way I am not that familiar with standard deviatation etc. so could you provide some rigorous formulation which allows the author to arrive at that conclusion?

Note: I cannot edit my first post so that the Latex code is displayed properly may use some help here too.
 
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By the way the term "maximum relative error" is used in the laboratory manual which I forgot to mention earlier, I think that poses a contradiction.
 
Septim said:
By the way the term "maximum relative error" is used in the laboratory manual which I forgot to mention earlier, I think that poses a contradiction.
How so?
 

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