Relative No-emission Propulsion

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The discussion revolves around a proposed concept of a relative no-emission propulsion system based on relativistic effects and the behavior of mass under acceleration. Participants explore the mechanics of a system where a substance moves in a circular motion at speeds approaching the speed of light, with additional forward and backward movements affecting the system's dynamics.

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  • One participant describes a system where a substance (referred to as "mattery") moves in a circular path at relativistic speeds, suggesting that the forward and backward motion affects the acceleration and mass increment differently depending on the direction of movement.
  • Another participant expresses skepticism about the feasibility of the proposed system, asserting that it will not work and emphasizing the importance of understanding why reactionless drives are not viable by analyzing the forces involved.
  • A third participant questions the clarity of the initial setup and suggests that it may be a self-made theory that does not align with forum guidelines, recommending a move to the Independent Research forum for such discussions.
  • Subsequent posts address procedural concerns regarding the transfer of the thread to the appropriate forum, indicating that specific rules govern posting in the Independent Research section.

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Participants exhibit disagreement regarding the validity of the proposed propulsion system. While one participant defends the concept, others challenge its feasibility and question the clarity of the presentation. The discussion remains unresolved with multiple competing views present.

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Participants have not reached consensus on the mechanics of the proposed system or its adherence to established physical principles. The discussion includes procedural issues related to forum guidelines and the classification of the topic.

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Following Einstein we know, that when the speed of mattery is about the “c” vallue, the further increase of speed causes “great” increase of mass.
In our system the substance (mattery) is moving round around the circle with the vellocities close to “c” and acceleration “a”.

Additionally this “wheel” makes a specific movement - forwards and backwards along the axis of rotation of the “wheel” that is in the center of the wheel.

But this forwards and backwards movement is very specific. In one direction it moves faster in the other slower.

In the direction (forwards-backwards), when the velocity is higher, the acceleration of the substance in wheel has some shorter time to operate and causes LOWER INCREMENT OF the valocity and MASS.
In the direction (forwards-backwards), when the velocity is lower, the acceleration of the substance in wheel has some longer time to operate and causes BIGGER INCREMENT OF the valocity and MASS.
Different masses at the ends of the forwarwads-backwards movement cause different FORCES. On one of the ends the force is always smaller than on the other side.
The system moves in one side of a forwards-backwards movement depending on whether it is acceleration, slowing down, and depending on which side is the forwards and which side is the backwards.
 

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I don't really follow your setup, but I can tell you it won't work. We all try to make a reactionless drive at some point, but the great lesson you can learn here is to prove to yourself why it won't work.

Add up all the forces and you'll find they cancel out.
 
Not if comes to reltivity... but as You say, You don't follow my setup.
 
It doesn't appear that you're asking for anything in here and simply trying to present a self-made "theory". If that is the case, please re-read the PF Guidelines and note that such post can only be done in the Independent Research forum.

Zz.
 
Is there a way to transfer my thread to this subject? I already got a warning for doubling the threads.
 
No, there isn't. This is because the IR forum has a set of very specific rules on HOW to post there. So you won't be making a duplicate. Besides, this thread will be deleted once you post something there. I'm leaving this undeleted just in case you need content.

Zz.
 

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