Relative Velocity of two swimmers

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The problem involves two swimmers, Alan and Beth, who start at the same point on the bank of a stream and swim different paths. Alan swims downstream and then upstream, while Beth swims perpendicular to the stream's flow. The question asks which swimmer returns first, prompting a comparison of their respective times based on their velocities and the stream's current.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Mathematical reasoning

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the time taken by each swimmer, with initial equations provided for both Alan and Beth. There is a focus on the need to account for the return distance and the implications of the swimmers' paths on their total travel time.

Discussion Status

The discussion is ongoing, with participants providing insights into the calculations for both swimmers. Some guidance has been offered regarding the importance of considering the return distance, and there is an acknowledgment of the complexity of the problem. Multiple interpretations of the swimmers' paths and their effects on time are being explored.

Contextual Notes

Participants note that the problem is from Irodov, which may imply a level of complexity or specific assumptions inherent in the question. There is also mention of the original poster's status as a first-year physics student, indicating a learning context.

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Homework Statement




Two swimmers, Alan and Beth, start together at the same point on the
bank of a wide stream that flows with a speed v. Both move at the
same speed c (c > v), relative to the water. Alan swims downstream a
distance L and then upstream the same distance. Beth swims so that her
motion relative to the Earth is perpendicular to the banks of the stream.
She swims the distance L and then back the same distance, so that both
swimmers return to the starting point. Which swimmer returns first?
(Note: First guess the answer.)


Homework Equations



relative velocity and vector


The Attempt at a Solution



let time taken for Alan swim for a distance Ta= L / (V+C)

let time taken for Beth swim for a distance Tb= L / [tex]\sqrt{}[/tex]c[tex]^{}2[/tex]+v[tex]^{}2[/tex]

compare this 2 equation, its obvious Alan will took the less time to finish a distance, L. but the question ask distance of 2L. so i am not sure the vector calculation for Beth to swim back to the origin point.

hope someone can help me out.this is my 1st year physics tutorial question.thanks :o
 
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JayKo said:
let time taken for Beth swim for a distance Tb= L / [tex]\sqrt{}[/tex]c[tex]^{}2[/tex]+v[tex]^{}2[/tex]

compare this 2 equation, its obvious Alan will took the less time to finish a distance, L. but the question ask distance of 2L. so i am not sure the vector calculation for Beth to swim back to the origin point.

hope someone can help me out.this is my 1st year physics tutorial question.thanks :o

you forgot to take in account the return distance?
because they returned back to the same place.

it's from Irodov lol
 
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rootX said:
you forgot to take in account the return distance?
because they returned back to the same place.

it's from Irodov lol

i aware of the return distance which i mention it as 2L.
nonetheless, thank for the tip for Irodov. shall take a look at it carefully.thanks again
 
Ta= L / (V+C) + L / (V-C)
Tb=2*L/[tex]\sqrt{}[/tex]c[tex]^{}2[/tex]+v[tex]^{}2[/tex]
 
rootX said:
Ta= L / (V+C) + L / (V-C)
Tb=2*L/[tex]\sqrt{}[/tex]c[tex]^{}2[/tex]+v[tex]^{}2[/tex]


yupe, i got it.thanks :D
 

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