Motion in 2 Dimensions & Relative velocity

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The problem involves analyzing motion in two dimensions, specifically focusing on the scenario of swimming across a river with a current. The original poster is tasked with determining the optimal angle to minimize downstream drift while crossing a river that flows at a constant speed.

Discussion Character

  • Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • The original poster attempts to derive the angle at which to swim to minimize downstream displacement, using trigonometric relationships and derivatives. Some participants question the correctness of the mathematical expressions used and the reasoning behind the requirement for perpendicularity of velocities.

Discussion Status

Participants are actively discussing the geometric interpretation of the problem, with one providing a diagram to illustrate the relationship between swimming velocities and river flow. There is acknowledgment of conceptual misunderstandings, and some guidance has been offered regarding the geometric reasoning behind the direction of swimming.

Contextual Notes

Some participants express uncertainty about the mathematical steps taken and the implications of the perpendicularity condition, indicating a need for further exploration of these concepts. The original poster also notes a discrepancy in the angle derived compared to a solution they encountered.

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Homework Statement


The water in a river flows uniformly at a constant speed
of 2.50 m/s between parallel banks 80.0 m apart. You
are to deliver a package across the river, but you can
swim only at 1.50 m/s.
(c) If you choose to minimize the distance downstream
that the river carries you, in what direction should you
head? (d) How far downstream will you be carried?

Homework Equations


S = V T
V = V1 + V2

The Attempt at a Solution



V = 1.5 - swimmer's velocity
L = 80 - distance between banks
Vr = 2.5 -Velocity of river
α - Angle between distance between banks and velocity
t - time required to cross the river
d - distance traveled downV cosα t = L (1)
(Vr - V sinα) t = d (2)(1) ->
t = L / V cosα (3)(2), (3) ->
(Vr - V sinα) L / (V cosα) = d

Vr L secα / V - V L tanα = d

(Find derivative and set equal to 0 - to find extreme point)
Vr L secα tanα/ V - V L sec2α = 0

133 secα tanα - 120 sec2α = 0

secα (133 tanα - 120 secα) = 0

133 tanα =120 secα

sinα = 120/133

α ≅ 64Note: In solutions, I read that the α ≅ 53.1.
Moreover, it says that resultant velocity must be perpendicular to swimming velocity (but it's not written why)

Can you tell what I'm doing wrong and why it must be perpendicular (it seems like this is the starting point for the solution)
 
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EEristavi said:
(2), (3) ->
(Vr - V sinα) L / (V cosα) = d

Vr L secα / V - V L tanα = d
Second line above is incorrect.
 
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DrClaude said:
Second line above is incorrect.

I see... I had other problem and when I fixed it, I made this one :(

Sorry for such a lame question - Though it was something conceptual.
Thank you.

Can you tell me something about perpendicularity?
 
Here is a diagram (click for larger size):
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The green arrow is the river flow velocity ##\vec v_{\rm river}##, the red arrows represent possible swimming velocities, which must all be within the red circle. The blue arrows therefore represent different possible resultant velocities. The direction of the resultant velocity will tell you how far downstream you will be carried. Clearly, the vector with the least steep tilt (which will mean the shortest downstream distance) occurs when the resultant velocity is tangent to the red circle, which will mean that it is orthogonal to the circle's radius, i.e., the corresponding swimming velocity.

Edit: This is the geometrical reason. You should of course dress this in mathematical terms yourself.
 

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