Relativistic mass/length contraction problem

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The discussion focuses on the relativistic effects of length contraction and mass for two spaceships, A and B, traveling at relativistic speeds. Spaceship A has a proper length of 60.0m and a proper mass of 15000 kg, while spaceship B has a proper length of 120.0m. An observer on Earth determines that both spaceships appear to have the same length, leading to the conclusion that spaceship A travels faster than spaceship B, which moves at 0.70c. The calculated length of spaceship A relative to the observer is 43m, and further calculations are needed to determine the velocity and relativistic mass of spaceship B.

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  • Familiarity with the Lorentz transformation equations: Lm = Ls √(1 - v²/c²) and mm = ms / √(1 - v²/c²).
  • Basic algebra skills for solving equations involving variables and constants.
  • Knowledge of the speed of light (c) as a constant in relativistic physics.
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Homework Statement



The proper length of spaceship A is 60.0m and the proper length of spaceship B is 120.0m. The proper mass of spaceship A is 15000 kg. An observer on Earth watches the two spaceships fly past at a constant speed and determines that they have the same length. If the speed of the slower ship is 0.70c, find:

a) The length of spaceship A, relative to an observer on earth

b) The length of spaceship B, relative to an observer on earth

c) The mass of spaceship A, relative to an observer on earth.


Homework Equations


Lm = Ls √(1- v2 / c2

mm = ms / √(1- v2 / c2

The Attempt at a Solution

Since both ships appear to have the same length to the observer on earth, ship A must be traveling faster than ship B as length contraction becomes more apparent with an increase in speed: In order for the two uneven length ships to appear the same, they must be moving at different speeds, and B must be the slower ship, therefore the velocity of B is 0.70c.
a) Lm = Ls √(1- v2 / c2

Lm = 60.0m √(1- 0.70c2 / c2

Lm = 60.0m √ (1- 0.49)

Lm = 42.85

Lm = 43m

The length of spaceship A, relative to an observer on Earth is 43m.

For a), I am unsure how to determine the velocity of ship B, other than trying multiple values until ship B's length matches that of ship A. I know there must be some way to determine the velocity of B, I just can't think of it. That value is also required to determine the relativistic mass of spaceship B, so any help on how to determine that value would be great.
 
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chef99 said:

Homework Statement



The proper length of spaceship A is 60.0m and the proper length of spaceship B is 60.0m.

Are the spaceships supposed to have the same length of ##60m##?
 
PeroK said:
Are the spaceships supposed to have the same length of ##60m##?
Opps. my mistake. I have fixed the problem now, as you can see B is, in fact, the longer ship at 120m, and ship A is 60m. So my first answer is really of A, and I need to determine the velocity of ship B, which must be faster than A, as ship B is longer. I can also determine the relativistic mass of ship A now, as I have its velocity. As for my answer posted above, everything is correct? Sorry about all that.
 
chef99 said:
For a), I am unsure how to determine the velocity of ship B, other than trying multiple values until ship B's length matches that of ship A. I know there must be some way to determine the velocity of B, I just can't think of it.

Algebra, perhaps?
 
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