Relativistic speeds within a relativistic frame of reference

In summary, an astronaut on a long space journey is playing golf inside their spaceship, which is traveling away from the Earth with speed 0.6c. One of the astronauts hits a drive exactly along the length of the spaceship (in its direction of travel) at speed 0.1c in the frame of the spaceship.
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Astronauts on a long space journey are playing golf inside their spaceship, which is traveling away from the Earth with speed 0.6c. One of the astronauts hits a drive exactly along the length of the spaceship (in its direction of travel) at speed 0.1c in the frame of the spaceship.

What is the speed of the gold ball as observed from Earth?
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So to the people on earth, the spacecraft itself is obviously going to appear to travel at 0.6c.
However since the spacecraft is traveling at relativistic speeds, I thought the speed of the golf ball would not appear to travel at 0.1c to an observer on earth. Instead, length would contract in the direction of motion so it would appear to cover less distance when observed from earth.
So the ratio in which the speed should contract would be given by:
√(1-(0.6)2) = 0.8 as this is ratio of how much length contracts.
And so due to length contraction, the speed of the golf ball would appear to travel at 0.8 x 0.1c. So the ball would go at 0.08c

Just adding this to 0.6, the ball would appear to travel at 0.68c. I wasn't to sure if this was right, considering I've never come across a question that involved an object traveling at relativistic speeds within frame of reference that appears to also be moving at a relativistic speed. On top of this, the answer is apparently wrong.

The answer says 0.66c but offers no working out. Are the answers wrong or am I missing something?
 
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Your argumentation does not work. The time in the different frames behave differently and it is not a simple question of adding two numbers together. You have to use relativistic addition of velocities. If you have a course book, it should be described in it.
 
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All my textbooks (three) only give the equations for time dilation, length contraction and mass dilation. We are given a very basic rundown of what special relativity is that pretty much just involves simultaneity and the above three changes.
With just this would it be expected to know how to add relativistic velocities? Is there a way to derive out an equation to add relativistic velocities considering my limited knowledge? (I googled it, plugged the numbers in and got the correct answer).

It is possible this test has asked a question out of the scope of the course.
 
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Yes of course it is possible to derive the formula. That's how the formula you found on line is obtained. But typically that formula would be derived in the textbook. If your books do not include that formula than I would agree that this problem is out of the scope of those books. Have you seen anything about Lorentz transformation?
 
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Your calculation is correct. The speed of the golf ball as observed from Earth would be 0.68c, not 0.66c. It is possible that there was a mistake in the answer provided, or that the answer was rounded to the nearest hundredth. However, it is always important to show your calculations and explain your reasoning to ensure accuracy in scientific problems. Keep up the good work!
 

What is a relativistic frame of reference?

A relativistic frame of reference is a perspective or viewpoint from which the laws of physics appear the same, regardless of the observer's state of motion or velocity.

What is meant by relativistic speeds?

Relativistic speeds refer to velocities close to the speed of light, where the effects of special relativity become significant. These speeds are typically expressed as a fraction of the speed of light (c), such as 0.9c or 0.99c.

What are the implications of traveling at relativistic speeds within a relativistic frame of reference?

At relativistic speeds, time dilation and length contraction occur, meaning that time and distance are perceived differently by observers in different frames of reference. Additionally, mass increases as speed approaches the speed of light.

Can objects with mass reach the speed of light within a relativistic frame of reference?

No, according to the theory of special relativity, it is impossible for an object with mass to reach the speed of light. As an object's speed increases, its mass increases, making it more difficult to accelerate further. At the speed of light, an object's mass would be infinite, requiring an infinite amount of energy to accelerate it further.

What is the significance of the speed of light in special relativity?

The speed of light (c) is a fundamental constant in the theory of special relativity and is the maximum speed that any object or information can travel in the universe. It also plays a crucial role in determining the effects of time dilation, length contraction, and mass increase at relativistic speeds.

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