Remedial kinetic energy equivalency question

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The discussion revolves around the equivalency of kinetic energy in impacts involving different masses and velocities. Participants explore the implications of these impacts on damage and material response, considering factors such as cross-sectional area and material properties. The scope includes theoretical considerations and practical implications in physics.

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  • One participant calculates that a 100kg object moving at 20 m/s has a kinetic energy of 20,000J and questions whether a 10kg object moving at 63.25 m/s would create equivalent damage upon impact, assuming similar materials and conditions.
  • Another participant suggests that cross-sectional area may influence the impact, as the smaller area of the lighter object could concentrate the energy on a smaller point, potentially affecting damage.
  • A different participant proposes analyzing the problem under different assumptions regarding the coefficient of restitution, indicating that energy loss and momentum conservation must be considered in understanding impact dynamics.
  • One participant compares two drop weight impacts with equal kinetic energy but different masses and heights, discussing how material response may vary based on strain rate sensitivity and contact area, leading to differences in impact severity.

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Participants express differing views on the factors influencing impact damage, including the role of cross-sectional area and material properties. There is no consensus on whether the impacts would result in equivalent damage, as various conditions and assumptions are considered.

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Participants highlight the importance of assumptions regarding material properties, such as rate sensitivity and the coefficient of restitution, which may affect the outcomes of the discussed impacts. The discussion remains open to interpretation based on these factors.

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I'm working on a demonstration of where I want to show the equivalent result of impacts of two separate masses. I'd like to make sure I am understanding these concepts correctly (it's been more than a few years since my college level physics class).

An object weighing 100kg moving at a velocity of 20 m/s has a KE of 20,000J

To get the equivalent KE from an object that weighs 10kg, I've calculated a velocity of 63.25m/s

Now, here's my uncertainty: does this mean that an impact of the 100kg object moving at 20m/w would create the same amount of damage as the 10kg object moving at 63.25m/s? Assuming that the materials are the same, so the impact distance and rebound would be equivalent. Or are there other factors involved?

Thanks in advance.
 
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cross sectional area might factor in , they have the same kinetic energy but
the smaller cross sectional area would focus that energy to a smaller point.
 
First, assume that the coefficient of restitution is 1, so that there is no "damage" (energy loss). In this case, both momentum and energy are conserved (the first mass always recoils unless M1 = M2). You have two equations in two unknowns.
Second, solve the same problem where the coefficient of restitution is zero.
Third, solve the same problem with an arbitrary coefficient of restitution.
Beware of using rolling billiard balls, because 2/7 of the total kinetic energy is rotational energy (I = (2/5) m R^2) and is not easily transferred during a collision.
 
Compare these two drop weight impacts:

Impact 1
Mass = 1 kg
Drop height = 2 m
Speed on impact = \sqrt {2gh} = 6.26 ms^{-1}
Kinetic energy at impact = \frac {1}{2} m v^{2} = 19.62 J

Impact 2
Mass = 2 kg
Drop height = 1 m
Speed on impact = \sqrt {2gh} = 4.43 ms^{-1}
Kinetic energy at impact = \frac {1}{2} m v^{2} = 19.62 J

Let's assume that all the kinetic energy of the impacting object (KE) is perfectly converted to elastic strain energy (W) by purely compressing a sample of the same material and dimensions:

W=\int^{\epsilon=\epsilon_{1}}_{\epsilon=0} \sigma d \epsilon = KE

If your sample has a compressive stress-strain profile that does not vary with strain rate, the strain epsilon_1 at which this is achieved (and the subsequent stress that this is achieved at) will be the same for both impacts.

However, if your sample shows strong rate dependency (for instance most polymers) then the fact that one impact occurs at a greater initial velocity means that the material response will generally be stronger and stiffer. That's something to bear in mind when you talk about two equal-energy impacts with the same contact area - rate sensitivity in materials means you will probably see a difference in 'impact severity'.

Also, when you begin to change the contact area between collisions, you will begin to see greater differences in 'impact damage'. The large stresses created by the relatively sharp point of a bullet will create more damage in a structure than a relatively bluff ball bearing of the same mass and impact speed.
 

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