Replacing lumber with equiv strength steel/aluminum. Sizing?

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The discussion revolves around the design considerations for a greenhouse building, specifically the potential replacement of traditional lumber with steel or aluminum structural members due to concerns about humidity and decay. Participants explore the structural equivalency of various materials for rafters, posts, and ridge beams.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses a desire to avoid using lumber due to concerns about decay from humidity and seeks alternatives in steel or aluminum.
  • The same participant provides specific dimensions for structural members they wish to replace, including rafters (2x6), posts (6x6), and a ridge beam (2x12), and requests information on comparable strength steel or aluminum tubes.
  • Another participant suggests consulting local code enforcement for approval of structural changes, emphasizing the importance of compliance.
  • A later reply indicates that not all structures require approval, noting that agricultural structures may have exemptions, but still recommends consulting an engineer for certainty.
  • The original poster reiterates their intention to design with confidence before incurring engineering costs.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the structural equivalency of the proposed materials or the necessity of engineering consultation, as opinions vary on the requirements for approval and the best approach to design.

Contextual Notes

Participants mention the need for structural approval and the potential exemptions for agricultural buildings, but the specifics of local regulations and engineering requirements remain unresolved.

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Hello, I'm in the design phase of a greenhouse building and am tossing around the idea of not using lumber. I have put up many stick built structures but am afraid the humidity will rapidly decay a conventional pine/fir. And I want to avoid pressure treated if possible

Based on a roofing rafter span table the 8-9' span of the glazed south wall is easily supported by 2x6 lumber on a 24" center. 2x8 would do it with plenty of room to spare, Can anyone point me to a comparable strength steel tube or aluminum tube? Locally I can get 2x2 galvanized steel tube with 1/8" wall thickness and 2x4" aluminum tube with 1/8" wall.

Also as a ridge beam I could easily use doubled up 2x12s. Locally I can get 4"x4" galv sq tube with 1/4" walls. Posts would normally be 6x6s. I would think the 4x4 galv steel should replace that with plenty to spare.

So structural members I want to replace...

Rafters 2x6 - 8' long span
Posts 6x6 - 8' heigh (3, one per 8' of width)
Ridge beam 2, 2x12s - 24' wide

As much as I have tried to find any equivalent chart comparing lumber to steel and aluminum tube I have fallen short

Thank you
 
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Eciton said:
Hello, I'm in the design phase of a greenhouse building and am tossing around the idea of not using lumber. I have put up many stick built structures but am afraid the humidity will rapidly decay a conventional pine/fir. And I want to avoid pressure treated if possible

Based on a roofing rafter span table the 8-9' span of the glazed south wall is easily supported by 2x6 lumber on a 24" center. 2x8 would do it with plenty of room to spare, Can anyone point me to a comparable strength steel tube or aluminum tube? Locally I can get 2x2 galvanized steel tube with 1/8" wall thickness and 2x4" aluminum tube with 1/8" wall.

Also as a ridge beam I could easily use doubled up 2x12s. Locally I can get 4"x4" galv sq tube with 1/4" walls. Posts would normally be 6x6s. I would think the 4x4 galv steel should replace that with plenty to spare.

So structural members I want to replace...

Rafters 2x6 - 8' long span
Posts 6x6 - 8' heigh (3, one per 8' of width)
Ridge beam 2, 2x12s - 24' wide

As much as I have tried to find any equivalent chart comparing lumber to steel and aluminum tube I have fallen short

Thank you
So structures in the US need to be signed off by your local code enforcement folks (city or county). Have you asked them these questions? They are the ones who have to approve it.
 
Not all structures do. This type in my area falls under agricultural use and has exemption. I did ask the county and the response was consult an engineer.

I wanted to design something with a decent degree of certainty that it would work before paying an engineers hourly rate to review

Thanks

berkeman said:
So structures in the US need to be signed off by your local code enforcement folks (city or county). Have you asked them these questions? They are the ones who have to approve it.
 
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Eciton said:
I did ask the county and the response was consult an engineer.
We will give you the same advice. Thread is closed.
 

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