What is the Optimal Wall Thickness for a Square Tube Supporting a Static Load?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around determining the optimal wall thickness for a square tube (box beam) that will support a static load in a specific setup. The scenario involves a 10-foot long beam with a balance point and varying weights applied at each end, raising questions about structural integrity and design considerations.

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  • Debate/contested
  • Homework-related

Main Points Raised

  • One participant outlines a specific scenario involving a square tube beam with a balance point and different weights, seeking to determine the necessary wall thickness to support the load.
  • Another participant questions the context and background of the original poster, suggesting that the purpose of the beam and the poster's experience in design are relevant to the discussion.
  • A participant expresses concern about liability and suggests consulting a mechanical engineering department for professional guidance.
  • One participant notes that the setup is complex due to unbalanced forces, which could introduce twisting torque at the support junction, indicating that this aspect is critical for calculations.
  • It is mentioned that the required wall thickness may vary based on the size and material of the square tubing, with larger sizes potentially allowing for thinner walls and aluminum requiring thicker walls than steel for the same dimensions.
  • A suggestion is made that an engineering student, under supervision, could assist in the design task, recommending that the original poster seek help from a local university's engineering department.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express varying levels of concern regarding the complexity of the problem and the appropriateness of seeking advice from an online forum. There is no consensus on the optimal wall thickness or the best approach to the design challenge, indicating multiple competing views and unresolved aspects of the discussion.

Contextual Notes

The discussion highlights the importance of understanding the specific application and design constraints, as well as the potential for liability in engineering decisions. The complexity of the load distribution and the resulting forces on the beam are noted as critical factors that complicate straightforward calculations.

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I need to make a steel beam ( or aluminum) of square tube ( box beam) 10 feet long with a balance point 2 feet from one end. The short end will have 60 lbs on it and the long end will have 30 lbs. how thick of a wall will the square tube need to be to hold the static load?
 
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james ichi said:
I need to make a steel beam ( or aluminum) of square tube ( box beam) 10 feet long with a balance point 2 feet from one end. The short end will have 60 lbs on it and the long end will have 30 lbs. how thick of a wall will the square tube need to be to hold the static load?

Welcome to the PF.

What is the context of your question? What is this beam to be used for? What is your background in this type of design?
 
My background is minimal. It's part of a art instalation.
 
james ichi said:
My background is minimal. It's part of a art instalation.

Who will be held liable if you take advice for this on a web forum, and it fails and hurts some people? Can you ask for help from your ME department instead?
 
On one but myself
 
Unfortunately, your setup is a very particular one and cannot be resolved easily by quick calculations from common cases.

Your forces don't seem to be balanced, thus a twisting torque will be applied at the junction of the beam and support. The design of that junction will be critical and how you intend to do it is crucial for the calculations.

Also the thickness depends on the size and the material of your square tubing (Usually, a larger square can have a thinner wall and aluminum needs to be thicker than steel for a given size).

The good news is that an engineering student under proper supervision can do such a task. So I also suggest finding a local university with an engineering department; You might find an helpful teacher that is willing to give some real work experience to one of its student.
 
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