Representations of subgroups; character tables

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This discussion focuses on understanding representations of subgroups and character tables in group theory, specifically referencing Howard Georgi's book on Lie Algebra. The user expresses confusion regarding the representations for factor groups and the relationship between conjugacy classes and subgroups. A respondent shares their educational journey, highlighting the importance of foundational texts such as "Groups, Representations And Physics" by H. F. Jones and "Modern Algebra, An Introduction" by John R. Durbin, which facilitated their comprehension of these concepts. They also recommend further reading on Lie groups and algebraic topology for a deeper understanding.

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  • Understanding of group theory concepts, particularly subgroups and cosets.
  • Familiarity with character tables in the context of group representations.
  • Knowledge of foundational texts such as "Groups, Representations And Physics" by H. F. Jones.
  • Basic understanding of Lie groups and Lie algebras.
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  • Study "Groups, Representations And Physics" by H. F. Jones for foundational knowledge.
  • Read "Modern Algebra, An Introduction" by John R. Durbin to reinforce group theory concepts.
  • Explore "Lie groups, Lie Algebras, and some of their Applications" by R. Gilmore for advanced topics.
  • Investigate "Geometry, Topology and Physics" by Nakahara for insights into algebraic topology.
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This discussion is beneficial for physics students, mathematicians, and anyone studying group theory, particularly those interested in representations and character tables in the context of Lie algebras.

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I'm having some trouble with a concept in group theory. I'm reading Howard Georgi's book on Lie Algebra, this is from the 1st chapter. Really sorry to have to use a picture but I don't know how to TeX a table:

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There's a couple things I don't quite understand but mainly, I don't see how he knows the representations for the factor groups are 1 and -1. Infact, I don't really understand where he gets the second factor group H={a3,a4,a5} from. Is it a distinct coset from H={e,a1,a2}?

Given that this is true, he then puts a 1 in the character table under the {a1,a2} conjugacy class - is this conjugacy class related to the H={e,a1,a2} subgroup?

I find this whole subject quite a challenge so really any help you can give will be greatly appreciated. Sorry again for picture, and thanks for helping.
 
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Dear Onamor,

From years ago, I have 12 pages of fairly decent notes getting to your problem with Georgi on the characters of S3. The path was indirect and tortuous.

Firstly, I wouldn't have been able to read Georgi successfully without first having worked my way through "Groups, Representations And Physics," 2nd. ed., H F Jones.

My path went like this: As a undergrad physics major, I first took an elective sophomore level course in modern algebra for kicks using, "Modern Algebra, An Intdroduction", 2nd. ed. by John R. Durbin.

During graduate school I ran into the Jones text and saw that it seemed readable. Before running into Jones, I had taken a junior and senior course in algebra, and a full year of gradaute algebra from the math department--useless for a physicist it seemed. I add this comment about my algebra background because one Amazon reviewer from 2003 (a grad physics student) gave up on Jones as too lacking in details. This reviewer turned to pure math books on algebra. The Amazon reviewer of Jones may have a point, but I think a sophomore level algebra book is good enough to fill in the blanks in Jones. This is what I did, review my sophomore level group theory in Durbin, before pressing on through Jones. I remember getting stuck for a week on various sections of Jones, filling in missing steps, but by p. 73, I was able to construct character tables (Chapters 1 - 5 Jones = discrete groups).

To read Georgi, you'll also need to read the chapters in Jones on continuous groups, which is the rest of the book. Then, years later, I ran into Georgi, and working it was a pain in the arse, side-by-side with my Jones text/notes.

The next level: I'm am now I'm my third reading of "Lie groups, Lie Algebras, and some of their Applications," by R. Gilmore. It adds in the topology to the above Durbin, Jones, Georgi algebra. It's really essential and "completing" material for the physicist, connecting Lie's work with its forgotten history: the analysis of flows in partial differential equations, and not just the popular areas of today for particles and fields.

To reach a very deep understanding of gauge fields, I'd read "Geometry, Topology and Physics" by Nakahara. It's more algebraic topology in a different vein that the Durbin, Jones, Georgi, Gilmore sense.

Going back through my notes, I can see that it would take me weeks to answer your question easily.

I hope this is hepful, if not immediately satisfactory.

A. Alaniz

I linked up all the math/physics texts and key ideas that helped me understand theory at
https://www.physicsforums.com/showthread.php?t=540829
 
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