Representing complex number as a vector.

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The discussion revolves around the representation of complex numbers as vectors, particularly focusing on the necessity of having the same units for the real and imaginary parts in practical applications, especially in physics.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant asserts that complex numbers can be represented as vectors and that their real and imaginary parts must have the same units for vector addition to be valid.
  • Another participant questions the relevance of units in number systems, suggesting that there are no physical units involved.
  • A different participant emphasizes the practical application of complex numbers in physics, asking if it is necessary for the real and imaginary parts to share the same unit.
  • One participant requests an example of a measured quantity that is complex, seeking clarity on the application of complex numbers in real-life scenarios.
  • Another participant agrees that both parts of a complex number have the same units but notes that the components themselves are dimensionless.
  • A later reply reiterates the initial claim about the necessity of common units for addition and discusses the relationship between real and complex numbers.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the necessity of having the same units for the real and imaginary parts of complex numbers, with some agreeing on the importance of this condition while others challenge its relevance. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the application of units in complex numbers.

Contextual Notes

There are unresolved questions about the definitions of units in the context of complex numbers and the implications of dimensionality in vector addition.

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180px-Complex_number_illustration.svg.png


In the above image the default format of a complex number is taken as a vector, since vector addition is only between 2 similar units (example 10 cos 30 cm + 10 sin 30 cm or 5 cms on y-axis and 2 cm on the x; which gives a resultant following vector addition), it can be said that that the real and imaginary part (taken as individual axes) are having the same units; what I mean here is that in a complex number, a + bj, a and bj are having the same units; i.e the magnitude is divided into real and imaginay parts and it gives a resultant following vector addition (a + bj).

Infact this is the reason why they get added, cause addition of 2 numbers is only possible if the units are common.

So if you get a complex number in physics, its (a+ib) units; it can't be a [unit 1] + ib [unit 2].


Am I right?
 
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I'm not clear what you are saying. What units are you talking about? There are no "units" such as m, inches, etc. in number systems.
 
Yes :smile:

But, let's take the practical application, I mean :smile: number systems are used in physics right?...it its given a unit, when a complex number comes in a real life situation, it does have a unit, what I'm asking here is it necessary for both the real and imaginary parts to have the same unit?

If not that image might be wrong in a few place, that's not possible considering the graphical representation of every complex number.
 
Please give an actual situation in which a measured quantity, i.e. a quantity with units, is complex!
 
... Well, yes, if you have (a + bi), then a and bi both have the same units.

But a, b, and i are all dimensionless. Hence, they trivially have the same dimension.
 
dE_logics said:
180px-Complex_number_illustration.svg.png


In the above image the default format of a complex number is taken as a vector, since vector addition is only between 2 similar units (example 10 cos 30 cm + 10 sin 30 cm or 5 cms on y-axis and 2 cm on the x; which gives a resultant following vector addition), it can be said that that the real and imaginary part (taken as individual axes) are having the same units; what I mean here is that in a complex number, a + bj, a and bj are having the same units; i.e the magnitude is divided into real and imaginay parts and it gives a resultant following vector addition (a + bj).

Infact this is the reason why they get added, cause addition of 2 numbers is only possible if the units are common.

So if you get a complex number in physics, its (a+ib) units; it can't be a [unit 1] + ib [unit 2].


Am I right?
Yes you are right. Don't forget that the real numbers R is a subset of the complex numbers C. The imaginary unit i is just a number which has a meaning which you know.
The fact that 'a is a real number' also mean that 'a is a complex number'. Two vectors can be added if they are of the same dimension, since they are from the same vector space. So if you take a real number 'a' which is in it sense a complex, and add it to complex number ib, the result will give a complex number a + ib.
 
Thank you people.

Problem solved.
 

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