# News Republican Debate

#### Borg

Gold Member
This week down by four. Cain into third place.
http://www.pollingreport.com/wh12rep.htm
I read that list too fast. For a moment, I thought that Freddie Kruger was in the running. Not that it would be too surprising this year.

#### mheslep

Gold Member
I would like to see former Gov. Gary Johnson higher on the list. He seems to have the best performance record in office, both in terms of economic results and for doing what he said he would do.

Johnson said:
“My next-door neighbor's two dogs have created more shovel-ready jobs than this current administration,” he shot back.
Any residents of NM, then or since, care to comment? The man was twice elected Governor in a blue state and produced an excellent record. Why does a back bench congress woman like Bachman take a higher rank in the polls? I want a recount.

Wiki said:

#### Proton Soup

\$5000 for this election cycle? So?
how much does it cost to corrupt people?

#### DoggerDan

Why do you think Cain is more electable than Romney?
In the republication primaries, he's not.

In the general election, he is.

#### WhoWee

In the republication primaries, he's not.

In the general election, he is.
I know what you meant - "electable" implies success in the general election. Accordingly, I'll restate my question with greater specificity - why do you think Cain is more electable than Romney in the general election against the current President (Obama)?

#### skippy1729

...I'll restate my question with greater specificity - why do you think Cain is more electable than Romney in the general election against the current President (Obama)?
1. Impact on the African-American vote. One third of Obama's margin of victory was due to increased African-American turnout (see table 1 of http://poq.oxfordjournals.org/content/73/5/995.full.pdf+html). Even if this increased turnout was not a one time event, it is inconceivable that Obama could hold on to 96% of the African-American vote against Cain.

2. Romneycare, anti-abortion credentials and his religion will cause a small percentage of the Republican base to stay home. I have made the acquaintance of evangelicals who do not consider Romney a Christian and will not vote for him. There are extremists in every direction.

3. Cain is direct and up-front in the presentation of his ideas. Romney dances like a politician (as does Obama).

4. The 2008 election shows that experience as an elected does not carry too much weight. Cain's executive experience is comparable to Romney's and both exceed Obama's.

5. Romney and Obama come off as elitists, Cain does not.

Skippy

#### Char. Limit

Gold Member
He's the CEO of a corporation. How does he NOT come off as elitist to you?

They're kind of, ya know, the elite.

#### Proton Soup

He's the CEO of a corporation. How does he NOT come off as elitist to you?

They're kind of, ya know, the elite.
friends of mine used to talk about Sam Walton driving up to his stores in his old ford pickup. the employees loved the guy. this was back in the days when walmart was pushing made-in-the-usa products, too.

there's lots of non-elitist CEOs out there.

#### skippy1729

He's the CEO of a corporation. How does he NOT come off as elitist to you?

They're kind of, ya know, the elite.
For me, an elitist is someone whose self-perceived image of their superiority oozes from every pore of their body. It has nothing to do with money. It is the "I am better and smarter than everyone else" attitude. I am not talking about confidence, I am talking about arrogance.

Skippy

#### WhoWee

For me, an elitist is someone whose self-perceived image of their superiority oozes from every pore of their body. It has nothing to do with money. It is the "I am better and smarter than everyone else" attitude. I am not talking about confidence, I am talking about arrogance.

Skippy
I get that vibe from the current resident of 1600 Pennsylvania Ave.

#### mheslep

Gold Member
He's the CEO of a corporation. How does he NOT come off as elitist to you?
No.

Wiki said:
Cain was born in Memphis, Tennessee, son of Luther Cain, Jr. and his wife Lenora Davis. His mother was a cleaning woman and his father, who was raised on a farm, was a chauffeur. He grew up in Georgia. Cain graduated from Morehouse College in 1967 with a Bachelor of Arts degree in mathematics, and received a Master of Science degree in computer science from Purdue University in 1971, when he was also working full-time in ballistics for the U.S. Department of the Navy. As a civilian ballistics analyst, he was responsible for developing fire control systems for ships and fighter planes.
No scholarship to elite private prep schools in Hawaii, no Ivy League. There is however one thing that strikes me as arrogant about the man, and only one: why can he not be bothered to run for some lower state or federal office first? Where did he draw the go-directly-to-the-Presidency card?

Staff Emeritus
why can he not be bothered to run for some lower state or federal office first? Where did he draw the go-directly-to-the-Presidency card?
Hi did. He ran for senator and lost.

#### WhoWee

Romney/Gingrich 2012 is looking better by the day! Newt even specified (on CNN to Blitzer 10/5/11) the answer would'nt be "no" to a VP offer if he doesn't win the nomination.

#### mheslep

Gold Member
Hi did. He ran for senator and lost.
Thanks, I missed that, which changes my opinion for the better.

#### BobG

Homework Helper
i'm really liking the alligator idea. in fact, i would go further and have sharks with laser beams patrolling the coasts.

http://thinkprogress.org/politics/2011/10/06/334170/herman-cain-top-10/

if he won the nomination, i think the Reps would have to spend a lot of time coaching him.
I don't think alligators would survive in the Southwestern United States. They're not very aggressive, anyway. They would only attack people wandering too close to their eggs.

Cain doesn't know the difference between alligators and crocodiles!

Actually, even crocodiles would require a pretty expensive moat. The moat would have to be a mini-habitat. But the mini-habitat wouldn't have to be maintained all that well, because crocodiles don't mind brackish water.

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