Residue of z/cos(z): Explanation & Calculation

  • Context: Graduate 
  • Thread starter Thread starter pivoxa15
  • Start date Start date
  • Tags Tags
    Residue
Click For Summary

Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the calculation of the residue of the function z/cos(z), particularly at points where cos(z) equals zero. Participants explore the definition of residues, the application of Laurent series, and the implications of pole locations on residue calculations.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Debate/contested
  • Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants assert that the residue is the coefficient of the -1 power in the Laurent series, noting that a long division approach yields a series starting with z, suggesting no z^-1 term exists.
  • Others argue that a non-zero residue exists at points where cos(z) = 0, specifically at z = n(π)/2 for odd n, challenging the initial claim about the residue at z = 0.
  • One participant provides a general formula for residues at simple poles, indicating that the residue can be calculated using the limit involving P(z) and Q(z) derivatives.
  • There is a contention regarding the correct expansion of the Laurent series, with some participants questioning whether the expansion around z = 0 is appropriate for finding residues at poles away from zero.
  • Some participants express uncertainty about the feasibility of isolating the z^-1 term in the series, suggesting that the series may always start with z and go upwards.
  • A later reply introduces a series expansion of cos(z) about π/2, discussing the challenges of gathering terms to find the residue at that point.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the correct approach to finding the residue of z/cos(z). There are multiple competing views regarding the appropriate series expansion and the implications of pole locations on the residue calculation.

Contextual Notes

Limitations include potential misunderstandings about the appropriate center for the Laurent series expansion and the nature of poles in relation to the function being analyzed. Some participants express uncertainty about the convergence of series and the accumulation of terms necessary for residue calculation.

pivoxa15
Messages
2,250
Reaction score
1
The definition of a residue is the coefficient of the -1 power in the Laruent series. If I do z/cos(z) by long division, I get a series starting with z so z^-1 never occurs hence has a coefficient of 0. But why does it have a non zero residue, namely z/sin(z) at each z when cos(z)=0?
 
Physics news on Phys.org
pivoxa15 said:
But why does it have a non zero residue, namely z/sin(z) at each z when cos(z)=0?
I don't understand what you mean with this, but at z = 0, z/cos(z) has a 0 residue indeed...
 
The residue occur only when cos(z)=0 so no residue exist when z=0 as cos(0)=1.
 
z/sin(z) is not a residue, it is a function.
 
I should have said residue of z/cos(z) when z=n(pie)/2 where n is odd.
 
In general, if f(z) = P(z)/Q(z) where P and Q are analytic at z_0 , P(z_0) != 0, and Q(z) has a simple zero at z_0, then Res(f; z_0) = P(z_0)/Q'(z_0). For you, f(z) = z/cosz and cosz = 0 iff z = k*pi + pi/2, k = 0, +/- 1, +/- 2, ..., so that Res(f; z_0 = k*pi + pi/2) = (k*pi + pi/2)/(-sin(k*pi + pi/2)) for k = 0, +/- 1, +/-2, ...

If you don't have this result, you can prove it easily. Note since f has a simple pole at z_0 and Q(z_0) = 0, Res(f; z_0) = lim z->z_0 (z - z_0)*P(z)/Q(z) = lim z->z_0 P(z)/((Q(z) - Q(z_0))/(z - z_0)) = P(z_0)/Q'(z_0).
 
ircdan said:
In general, if f(z) = P(z)/Q(z) where P and Q are analytic at z_0 , P(z_0) != 0, and Q(z) has a simple zero at z_0, then Res(f; z_0) = P(z_0)/Q'(z_0). For you, f(z) = z/cosz and cosz = 0 iff z = k*pi + pi/2, k = 0, +/- 1, +/- 2, ..., so that Res(f; z_0 = k*pi + pi/2) = (k*pi + pi/2)/(-sin(k*pi + pi/2)) for k = 0, +/- 1, +/-2, ...

If you don't have this result, you can prove it easily. Note since f has a simple pole at z_0 and Q(z_0) = 0, Res(f; z_0) = lim z->z_0 (z - z_0)*P(z)/Q(z) = lim z->z_0 P(z)/((Q(z) - Q(z_0))/(z - z_0)) = P(z_0)/Q'(z_0).

What about my long division and getting z as the first term in the series of z/cos(z)? Hence no z^-1 term?
 
But are you using the correct expansion? The Laurent series at 0 tells you nothing about the residues at poles away from zero (which is where all the poles are)
 
matt grime said:
But are you using the correct expansion? The Laurent series at 0 tells you nothing about the residues at poles away from zero (which is where all the poles are)

You are correct but how do you know I expanded the Laurent series about z=0?

Even if I exand the Laurent series with centre at the first 0 which is pie/2, after the long division, I still get a series starting with z. hence no z^-1 term.
 
  • #10
pivoxa15 said:
You are correct but how do you know I expanded the Laurent series about z=0?

it was probable from the way you wrote your reply.
Even if I exand the Laurent series with centre at the first 0 which is pie/2, after the long division, I still get a series starting with z. hence no z^-1 term.


Then you have expanded it incorrectly: one object has a pole the other does not. (I'm presuming you have no other negative powers of z).
 
  • #11
matt grime said:
it was probable from the way you wrote your reply.



Then you have expanded it incorrectly: one object has a pole the other does not. (I'm presuming you have no other negative powers of z).

Do you think it is feasible to do by hand? Since we have z/(a series involving terms like z^n with n from 1 to infinity) it seems difficult.

Even consider a simpler finite expression. How would you isolate the z^-1 term (that is find the coefficient of z^-1) in this: 4z/(4z-2-z^2) ?

I realize there is a very simple method of doing this problem given by ircdan but I like to see how this method turn out. That is why I posted here instead of the homework section.
 
Last edited:
  • #12
Suppose that [tex]f(z)=\sum_{n=-\infty}^{\infty}a_n(z-a)^n}[/tex] then the residue of f(z) at z=a is a-1, the coefficient of 1/(z-a) (it is not the coeff of 1/z for every residue, only for the residue at z=0 is that true).
 
  • #13
This problem of finding the coefficient of z^-1 in the Laurent series seems impossible by dividing the Laurent series alone. The residue obviously exists but how do you access it? Could it be the case that the z^1 term exists but is impossible to access? The series seems always to start with z and goes upwards in order.
 
  • #14
matt grime said:
But are you using the correct expansion? The Laurent series at 0 tells you nothing about the residues at poles away from zero (which is where all the poles are)

If I expand cos(z) about 0, and use that expansion as my Laurent series, wouldn't that be okay because this series is convergent on the whole plane - including pie/2, which is the first zero. So I can do z/(series of cos(z) about 0)? This is because if I sub pie/2 into z, I would get (pie/2)/0 - which is desired as that shows there is a pole at pie/2.
 
  • #15
No, that is not acceptable. Read Benorin's post. The residue at a pole, w, is the coefficient of (z-w)^{-1} in the Laurent expansion *at w* (and stop spelling pi with an e!).
 
  • #16
I have finally found the series expansion of cos(z) about pi/2.

cos(z) = (1<=n<infinity)sigma((-1)^n(z-pi/2)^(2n-1)/(2n-1)!)

To find Res(f(z),z=pi/2), f(z)=z/cos(z) using a Laurent expansion, I figured long division of z/(series of cos(z) about pi/2). To find the coefficients of 1/(z-pi/2), I would gather all the (z-pi/2)^2 terms (which would be infinitey many) and do z divided by all these terms to get answers/terms which are of the form a/(z-pi/2) where 'a' is an arbitary constant. Is this correct? If so than the trouble with this method is that I will never accumulate all the a/(z-pi/2) terms because there is an inifinite number of them. Although this series (of a/(z-pi/2) terms) should converge because a finite residue exists for this function so I would need to calculate what this series (of a/(z-pi/2) terms) converges to.
 
Last edited:

Similar threads

  • · Replies 22 ·
Replies
22
Views
5K
  • · Replies 3 ·
Replies
3
Views
2K
  • · Replies 1 ·
Replies
1
Views
3K
  • · Replies 13 ·
Replies
13
Views
6K
  • · Replies 9 ·
Replies
9
Views
3K
  • · Replies 11 ·
Replies
11
Views
2K
Replies
13
Views
4K
  • · Replies 2 ·
Replies
2
Views
3K
  • · Replies 4 ·
Replies
4
Views
5K
  • · Replies 3 ·
Replies
3
Views
3K