Resources For Real Analysis and Concepts of Mathmatics

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The discussion revolves around resources for studying real analysis and basic mathematical concepts. Participants share their experiences with various texts and online materials, exploring both recommended books and alternative resources.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses difficulty finding online resources for real analysis and seeks recommendations for books.
  • Another suggests searching for "real analysis pdf" online to find course notes and books that authors have shared.
  • Some participants recommend Rudin's books as definitive sources for real analysis.
  • In contrast, one participant critiques Rudin's books for being unhelpful for students, emphasizing their lack of motivational content and geometric intuition.
  • This critic suggests alternatives such as books by Sterling K. Berberian and George Simmons, which are described as more user-friendly.
  • Another participant shares their limited experience with Rudin, recalling it as sterile and preferring to consult other works for their interests.
  • One participant emphasizes the importance of doing exercises from any chosen book, suggesting that engagement with the material is crucial for learning.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing opinions on the value of Rudin's texts, with some endorsing them while others strongly criticize them. There is no consensus on which resources are best for learning real analysis.

Contextual Notes

Participants note that their preferences for textbooks may depend on individual learning styles and prior knowledge, indicating that the effectiveness of a resource can vary widely among learners.

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I have been browsing the web, and I notice that I could not find any websites that have real analysis text around. Yes, I understand that I should look for books written by professionals in the field, but I do not know which one I should buy. Do you know of some online resources to real analysis and even places for basic mathmatical concepts of subsets and so on? A book?

Thanks
 
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infinite.curve said:
I have been browsing the web, and I notice that I could not find any websites that have real analysis text around. Yes, I understand that I should look for books written by professionals in the field, but I do not know which one I should buy. Do you know of some online resources to real analysis and even places for basic mathmatical concepts of subsets and so on? A book?

Thanks

If you google "real analysis pdf", you'll find lots of material: course notes, even whole books that for whatever reason the author has posted on their website.
 
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I see, thanks.
 
Also the Rudin and baby Rudin books are the definitive sources for Real Analysis.
 
Since inevitably Rudin came up, let me reiterate that although his books are the choice of many instructors they are not favoted so much by most students. I heartily dislike them and do not recommend them at all except to people already knowing the material. I have read two of them and taught from them over the years based on their reputation and always been disappointed both for learning myself and teaching to my students. When I moved recently they did not make the cut to be kept in my personal collection. Books by Sterling K Berberian on the other hand are notoriously user friendly, as well as being also authoritative. The average person can actually learn something from these. George Simmons also writes in a very helpful style. At a more advanced level I actually like books by Jean Dieudonne', although his books are much more difficult. I still prefer them to those of Rudin since at least one feels he is getting some return on his struggles commensurate with the effort from Dieudonne'.

Puzzled by Rudin's fame, I googled a bit and found he actually won the 1993 Steele prize for exposition for those books on analysis that he wrote, but it makes me wonder what the criteria were that were used. Indeed the books are very precise and meticulously organized and correct. But they have essentially no motivational content, and fail entirely to distinguish the important from the trivial, and have as I recall basically no geometric intuition. When I write books I always try to answer the questions of why we are doing what we are doing, and how one might have thought of the solution oneself. These questions, which I consider the most crucial in making a subject understandable and memorable, are apparently never considered in Rudin's writing at all. He seems concerned only with the logical organization of the material.

I have not found much either in the way of references to important research results of his, although his phD thesis was reviewed by someone. I admit readily however that books by outstanding researchers are not always excellent texts for learning.

I apologize for the negative tone of this, but I feel very strongly that Rudin is guilty of making many people feel they cannot learn analysis, or at least that it is inordinately difficult, and I wouldn't want a new student to think that failure to grasp the material as it is presented in Rudin is a sign of his/her own weakness.

On the other hand, if by chance Rudin appeals to you, then go for it. In my opinion you are spending more time and effort than necessary to learn from him, and there will be fundamental points of understanding that are not made clear, but if it suits you, then it is fine. The basic criterion (at least for beginners) is to read whatever speaks clearly to you.
 
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mathwonk said:
I apologize for the negative tone of this, but I feel very strongly that Rudin is guilty of making many people feel they cannot learn analysis, or at least that it is inordinately difficult, and I wouldn't want a new student to think that failure to grasp the material as it is presented in Rudin is a sign of his/her own weakness.
I don't think there is a need to apologise for stating a deviating opinion, specially when it is based on one's own experience. My familiarity with Rudin is restricted to some chapters in the first two parts of his book on functional analysis that I consulted once as a reference. I remember them as rather sterile, perhaps too sterile even for my tastes. For the subjects that were then of my interest (topological vector spaces and some distribution theory) I would probably look in other works nowadays.

Come to think of it, I realize that for most results on real analysis I often end up looking in books on functional analysis, while for complex analysis I came to love an old booklet in my native language that, ironically, I hated as an undergraduate.
 
by the way i was browsing a book tonight and realizxed the most important advice i can offer is this: no matter what book you choose, do the exercises. i.e. how you read the book is even more important than how it is written.
 

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