Retaking Classical Mechanics for Higher GPA

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The discussion revolves around the decision of a Physics major considering retaking a Classical Mechanics course to improve a grade and enhance their GPA. Participants explore the implications of retaking courses on graduate school applications, the relationship between course sequences, and the perception of grades in the context of academic performance.

Discussion Character

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses concern about a C grade in Classical Mechanics I affecting their graduate school applications and contemplates retaking the course to better understand the material.
  • Another participant suggests that retaking a course may not negatively impact graduate school chances if the original grade is below a B, and emphasizes the importance of mastering the material.
  • It is noted by one participant that Mechanics I and II cover different topics, which may justify the need to retake Mechanics I despite a good performance in Mechanics II.
  • Several participants discuss the policies of their respective schools regarding retaking courses, with one confirming that retakes are allowed and the new grade replaces the old one, while both grades appear on the transcript.
  • Another participant shares their own experience of receiving a C+ in Classical Mechanics I and expresses frustration over not being able to retake the course, while suggesting that improvements in subsequent courses may mitigate the impact of a lower grade.
  • Concerns are raised about the potential negative perception from graduate schools regarding retaking a course that was passed, especially if the student performed well in subsequent related courses.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on whether retaking the course is advisable. Some argue in favor of retaking for better understanding and GPA improvement, while others caution against it, suggesting that it may not be viewed positively by graduate schools.

Contextual Notes

Participants express varying opinions on the implications of retaking courses, with some highlighting institutional policies and the potential for perceived academic improvement. The discussion reflects differing perspectives on how grades are interpreted in the context of graduate school applications.

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I am a Physics major, just completed my junior year. During my fall semester I took the first level to the upper level Classical Mechanics sequence and received a C. I know that this was because I was working part time at that time so I was not able to put in as much time as I should have into my studies. I have been thinking about retaking the course during the fall of my senior year. Is this a good idea, or would graduate schools look down upon this when they see my transcript? The main reason I would like to retake the course is just because I feel like I haven't learned the material properly, and I would also like to boost my Physics GPA (which is rather low at the moment)
My grades are as follows for my Physics/math courses required for my school's program:
Physics I: A; Physics II; B+; Physics III: B+; Physics IV: B+
Quantum Mechanics I: B; Quantum II: B-; Mechanics I: C; Mechanics II: A
Calc I, II: B+; Calc III: A; Diff Eq: A; Linear Algebra: A; Partial Diff Eq: A-
My overall GPA is a 3.326 and my Physics GPA is a 3.376

Thank you in advance for your help
 
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I'm not a physics major, so my comment may not be that helpful.

I don't think retaking a class to improve your grade would hurt your chance of getting into a graduate school, unless your original grade for that class is like B or above. If you feel like you haven't learned the material properly the first time, then you are actually doing a favor by retaking a course, since you are likely to see that stuff again in grad school.

The only thing I am wondering here is that you got an A in Mechanics II. Isn't Mechanics II a continuation of Mechanics I? If you got an A in its sequence that already shows that you know something about mechanics already, so retaking it might seem pointless (in fact, it shows that you have made some improvement!). But again, I am not a physics major, so I might be wrong on this.

My ultimate advice: Do it only if you have nothing more important to do than retaking the first semester of mechanics.
 
Thank you for your advice.
Mechanics I and Mechanics II covered completely different topics, even though Mech I and II both used the same textbook. I guess I just had more time to study for it, giving me an A. I just feel like C in Mech I really stands out on my transcript, and I'm sure it looks bad to have a C in one of the upper level courses.
At this point, so far most people have suggested that I do not retake it, but I don't know yet.
 
Does your school allow you to retake 'C' grades for credit & grade?
 
Yes. My school allows retakes, and the new grade will replace the old grade even if it is lower. But both grades show up on the transcript.
 
PurpleBook said:
Yes. My school allows retakes, and the new grade will replace the old grade even if it is lower. But both grades show up on the transcript.

I am in a similar boat. I just got a C+ in classical mechanics 1 and am pretty upset about it. I wish I could have the option to retake it, but that's not happening at my school. If you got an "A" in classical mechanics 2 though, then I think graduate schools may see that as a great improvement(at least, that's what I myself am hoping). You also got B's in Quantum 1 and 2. There are definitely things you take from classical that you use in quantum, so there again it seems like you made up for a C. I wouldn't worry about it. I assume you have not taken E&M and stat. mech yet? If you keep making better grades and show improvement from 1 small slip up, I can't see why a graduate school would hold 1 "bad" grade against you when you have made better grades in arguably just as advanced/more advanced courses.
 
Even if your school allows retakes, it's very common not to allow a retake of a class you earned a C or better in - otherwise, rich students (you can't use financial aid to retake a class you passed) could just keep retaking everything until they had a 4.0. And retaking a class you passed (C or better is a passing grade in a class for your major) does look bad to grad schools if you could have been learning something else instead - and especially if you then did well in the second semester of the course, which means you've learned enough in Mech I to apply it.
 

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