Reversing the order of summation

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The discussion centers around the question of whether the order of summation matters in mathematical series, specifically comparing the summation from a to b versus from b to a. Participants explore implications for both finite and infinite series, including conditions under which the order may or may not affect the result.

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  • Some participants assert that the order of summation does not matter, citing the commutative property of addition (a + b = b + a).
  • Others introduce the concept that for finite series or series where all but finitely many nonzero terms are of the same sign, any order of summation yields the same result.
  • A participant mentions a theorem related to convergent infinite summations that do not converge absolutely, indicating that rearranging the order of summation can lead to different results.
  • There is a reiteration of the conditions under which the order of summation can affect the outcome, emphasizing caution with infinite series.
  • One participant acknowledges the presence of a finite number of terms in the initial question, reinforcing the context of the discussion.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the impact of summation order, with some agreeing that it does not matter under certain conditions, while others highlight potential complications with infinite series. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the implications for infinite summations.

Contextual Notes

The discussion includes assumptions about the nature of the series being considered, particularly regarding convergence and the signs of terms. There are unresolved mathematical implications related to the rearrangement of infinite series.

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Is ∑f from a to b the same as ∑f from b to a?
In other words, does the order of summation matter?
 
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No, since a+b = b+a
 
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BvU said:
No, since a+b = b+a
Thank you.
 
I'll add that, if there is only a finite number of terms, or if all but finitely many nonzero terms are of the same sign, then any order of summation gives the same result.

But (and I hope this is not too much information):
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For any convergent infinite summation

∑ cj = K​

that does not converge absolutely:

∑ |cj| = ∞,​

then there is an surprising theorem that suggests how important it is to be cautious:

Theorem: For such a summation as ∑ cj, and any real number L, there is some rearrangement ∑' of the order of summation such that

∑' cj = L.
 
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zinq said:
I'll add that, if there is only a finite number of terms, or if all but finitely many nonzero terms are of the same sign, then any order of summation gives the same result.

But (and I hope this is not too much information):
-----------------------------------------------------------

For any convergent infinite summation

∑ cj = K​

that does not converge absolutely:

∑ |cj| = ∞,​

then there is an surprising theorem that suggests how important it is to be cautious:

Theorem: For such a summation as ∑ cj, and any real number L, there is some rearrangement ∑' of the order of summation such that

∑' cj = L.
Thank you.
 
henry wang said:
Thank you.

look this video
 
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zinq said:
if there is only a finite number of terms
In post #1 there is.
 

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