Reviewing my logarithms, solving this inequality

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The discussion revolves around solving the inequality \(\frac{2^{x+1}-3}{2^{x}-4}\leq1\), which involves logarithmic functions and inequalities. Participants express concerns about potential complex solutions and the implications of multiplying by expressions that could be negative.

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  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Problem interpretation

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  • Participants discuss the implications of the denominator being negative and the necessity of treating different cases separately. There are attempts to clarify the steps involved in manipulating the inequality and concerns about arriving at complex solutions.

Discussion Status

Guidance has been offered regarding the handling of the inequality, particularly the need to multiply by the denominator squared to avoid flipping the inequality sign. Multiple interpretations of the problem are being explored, with some participants questioning the validity of the original problem setup.

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There is a mention of constraints related to the conditions under which the inequality holds, specifically regarding the values of \(x\) that satisfy the inequality and the potential for complex solutions if certain conditions are met.

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Homework Statement


[itex]\frac{2^{x+1}-3}{2^{x}-4}\leq1[/itex]

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The Attempt at a Solution


When I go through it, I keep getting [itex]2^{x}\leq-1[/itex]

I don't think the answer is suppose to be complex... let me show you my work in a file.

It's extremely embarrassing that I don't remember this. Makes me feel pretty stupid...
 

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The first step is problematic, because 2^x - 4 could be negative. Multiplying both sides by this factor would then result in the inequality flipping. You should be multiplying both sides by (2^x - 4)^2 instead, which will be a positive quantity.
 
I'm not sure that I follow. I plugged it into wolfram, and it comes up with a complex solution. If the make it less than, it is real.


Even if the sign flipped, it still can't work out to be real.
 
Astrum said:

Homework Statement


[itex]\frac{2^{x+1}-3}{2^{x}-4}\leq1[/itex]

Homework Equations





The Attempt at a Solution


When I go through it, I keep getting [itex]2^{x}\leq-1[/itex]

I don't think the answer is suppose to be complex... let me show you my work in a file.

It's extremely embarrassing that I don't remember this. Makes me feel pretty stupid...

Just set ##z = 2^x## and find where ##(2z - 3)/(z-4) \leq 1.## If you can satisfy that with some ##z > 0## you will get a real ##x = \log_{2}(z) = \log(z) / \log(2).##
 
To remove the fractional term in
[tex]\frac{2^{x+1}-3}{2^{x}-4}\leq1[/tex]
You must multiply both sides by the denominator squared and not just the denominator because it need not be positive. So, we get
[tex](2^{x+1}-3)(2^{x}-4)\leq (2^{x}-4)^2[/tex]
instead of whatever you wrote for your second step.
Expand out the terms, collect them on one side, and refactorise.
 
Fightfish said:
You must multiply both sides by the denominator squared
Isn't it simpler just to treat the two cases separately? The positive sign led to a contradiction, so we can discard that.
Astrum said:
Even if the sign flipped, it still can't work out to be real.
No, I think that works. Try it again. If still stuck, please post your working for that case.
 
Alternatively, do it as two separate problems.
1) if [itex]2^x- 4\ge 0[/itex], multiplying both sides by it gives
[itex]2^{x+1}- 3\le 2^x- 4[/itex]
Of course, [itex]2^{x+ 1}= 2(2^x)[/itex] so that inequality is the same as [itex]2(2^x)- 3\le 2^x- 4[/itex]. Subtracting [itex]2^x[/itex] from each side and adding 3 to both sides we get [itex]2^x\le -1[/itex] which is, as you say, impossible for x a real number.

2) If [itex]2^x- 4< 0[/itex], multiplying both sides of it changes the direction of the inequality: [itex]2^{x+1}- 3\ge 2^x- 4[/itex] which is the same as [itex]2(2^x)- 3\ge 2^x- 4[/itex]. Now, doing the same as before gives [itex]2^x\ge -1[/itex] which is true for all x. Since this was under the condition that [itex]2^x- 4< 0[/itex], the inequality is true for all x satisfying [itex]2^x< 4[/itex] which is the same as saying that x< 2.
 
Fightfish said:
The first step is problematic, because 2^x - 4 could be negative. Multiplying both sides by this factor would then result in the inequality flipping. You should be multiplying both sides by (2^x - 4)^2 instead, which will be a positive quantity.
You are correct that (2x - 4) is positive for some values of x and negative for others. If Astrum multiplies both sides of the inequality by (2x - 4), then he/she should look at 2 cases separately:
1) 2x > 4, i.e. x>2 .

2) 2x < 4, i.e. x<2 .​

Alternatively, your suggestion of multiplying by (2x - 4)2 eliminates the problem of looking at two cases separately.

Another method, one that's usually covered in College Algebra courses, is as follows:

Subtract 1 from both sides, then use a common denominator to get a single rational expression on the left. That results in a rational expression being compared to zero. For the problem at hand, this resulting rational expression is fairly simple because 2x+1 = 2∙2x .
 
Ah, Alright. I see. The [itex]\frac{1}{2^{x}-4}[/itex] was where I messed up.

It's been a while since I've seen these problems, I guess some memory lapse is to be expected.
 
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Astrum said:
Ah, Alright. I see. The [itex]\frac{1}{2^{x}-4}[/itex] was where I messed up.

It's been a while since I've seen these problems, I guess some memory lapse is to be expected.
What did you get for a solution ?
 
  • #11
SammyS said:
What did you get for a solution ?

x<2

the original problem was wrong, if it meant "equal to" also, because it would lead to a complex answer.
 
  • #12
Astrum said:
x<2

the original problem was wrong, if it meant "equal to" also, because it would lead to a complex answer.
That doesn't make the problem wrong. It asked you to find those x that satisfied the inequality, and you found them.
 

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