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The discussion revolves around rewriting a second-order ordinary differential equation (ODE) into a system of two first-order ODEs. The original equation presented is x'' + 2(x^(2) - 2).x' + x = 0, and participants are exploring the transformation and subsequent analysis of this system.

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  • Participants discuss the rewriting of the second-order ODE into first-order equations, with one participant proposing x' = y and y' = -2(x^(2) - 2).y - x. Questions arise regarding the correctness of these transformations and the derivation of the Jacobian matrix for the resulting system.

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There is ongoing exploration of the Jacobian matrix and fixed points of the system. Some participants express confusion about specific entries in the Jacobian and the process of finding fixed points. Guidance has been offered regarding the general structure of the Jacobian and the conditions for fixed points.

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Participants are working within the constraints of homework guidelines, which may limit the extent of direct assistance provided. There is mention of analyzing behavior using eigenvalues, indicating a focus on stability analysis of the system.

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1. rewrite the following equation as two first order ODE's

x'' + 2(x^(2) - 2).x' + x = 0

Homework Equations





This is what I have so far:

x'' + 2(x^(2) - 2) . x' + x = 0
x'' = - 2(x^(2) - 2) . x' - x

x' = y
y' = -2(x(^2)-2). y - x

Are these correct?
 
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Jamiey1988 said:
1. rewrite the following equation as two first order ODE's

x'' + 2(x^(2) - 2).x' + x = 0

Homework Equations





This is what I have so far:

x'' + 2(x^(2) - 2) . x' + x = 0
x'' = - 2(x^(2) - 2) . x' - x

x' = y
y' = -2(x(^2)-2). y - x

Are these correct?
Yes, they're fine.
 
Thanks :)

Just a follow on, how would I go about finding the Jacobian matrix for the two first order ODE's?

Im a little confused with the second one:

y' = -2(x^(2)-2) . y - x
 
You have
x' = y
y' = -x -2y(x^2 - 2)

Jacobian matrix will have four entries in it. Do you know what they are, in general?
 
Yes I know how they are derived, I am just unsure of the bottom 2 entries of the matrix.
So far I have half the matrix:

(0 1)/(X Y) Where X and Y are yet to be found.

How would I derive the x and y parts of y'?
 
I didn't ask how they are derived, just what they are, in general (not specific to this problem). If you explain how you got the 0 and 1 in the top row, it will go a long way to you understanding what goes in the bottom row.
 
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ok so I have now found the Jacobian matrix, all I need now is to discover the fixed points of the two frsit order ODE's at the top of page. How would I go about doing that?
 
Here's a link to a wikipedia article that might be helpful, not sure - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jacobian_matrix_and_determinant

See the section titled "In dynamical systems."

However, I'm not sure what the Jacobian will do for you. As you posted the problem in the other thread, it says to analyze the behavior using the eigenvalues.

You really should get in the habit of posting the complete problem in one thread, rather than in dribs and drabs in multiple threads.
 
Yes I do wish to analyze the behaviour using eigenvalues, with me having the jacobian matrix I know simply need the fixed points. I used Derive and it gave me the fixed points of (0,0) however I am nt sure if that is correct.
 
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The fixed point(s) are the values of x and y for which x' and y' = 0. Solve the equations x' = y and y' = -2y(x2 - 2) - x simultaneously.
 
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Ok I know I am being slow here but could you start me off on the simulataneous equation, each time I attempt it I only get x and y to equal 0. Thanks
 
  • #12
That's what I get, too, so the only fixed point seems to be at (0, 0).
 
  • #13
Oh ok that has lifted a huge weight from my shoulders, thanks for all your help:)
 

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