Rewriting Central Force Problem of Black Hole Potential

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The discussion revolves around a problem in General Relativity concerning the radial equation of an object orbiting a non-rotating black hole. Participants are tasked with rewriting the equation using a substitution to derive a second-order differential equation for the function representing the inverse of the radial coordinate.

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  • Exploratory, Mathematical reasoning, Problem interpretation

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  • Participants explore the relationship between the radial coordinate and angular momentum, questioning how to express the radial velocity in terms of angular velocity. There are attempts to derive a second-order equation for the inverse radial coordinate, with some participants expressing uncertainty about the transformations needed.

Discussion Status

Several participants have provided insights into the transformations required to relate the variables and have begun to derive the necessary equations. There is a productive exchange of ideas, with some participants clarifying the steps needed to transition from one form of the equation to another, though consensus on the approach has not been reached.

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Participants are navigating through the complexities of the equations involved, with some expressing confusion about the relationships between the variables and the implications of the substitutions. The original problem's constraints and the nature of the equations are under discussion, highlighting the challenges in the transformation process.

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In General Relativity it is found that the radial equation of an object orbiting a non-rotating black hole has the form $$\dot r^2 + (1 - 2 \frac {V_o} {r} ) (\frac {l^2} {r^2} + 1) = E^2$$ where ##r## is the radial coordinate, ##l## is the angular momentum, and ##E## is the total energy; the potential ##V_o = GM_o##, where ##M_o## is the mass of the black hole. Show, using the standard substitution ##u = \frac {1} {r}##, and rewriting ##\dot r## in terms of ##\dot \phi## and ##u' = \frac {du} {d\phi}##, that we can write a differential equation for ##u(\phi)## of form $$u'' + u - \frac {V_o} {l^2} - 3V_ou^2 = E^2$$​

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First off I'm not entirely sure how to rewrite ##\dot r## in terms of ##\dot \phi##. In the notes it is described that the angular momentum ##l = mr^2\dot\phi##, so therefore this equation could be written in the form $$\dot r = \sqrt{E^2 - (1 - 2V_o u)(m\dot\phi +1)}$$ but it is not exactly like I can plug this back into the original equation. I can also try taking that since ##u = \frac {1} {r}##, that ##\frac {du} {dt} = \frac {-1} {r^2} \frac {dr} {dt} = \frac {du} {d\phi} \frac {d\phi} {dt}## and so ##\dot r = \frac {-1} {u^2} u' \dot \phi## but putting this into the first equation, I'm not exactly sure where the ##u''## is supposed to come from. Am I coming at this from the wrong direction entirely? Thank you!
 
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I'm not sure about the motivation for going from the equation in terms of \dot{r} to the second-order equation in terms of u, but here's how it could be done:

First take a time derivative of your equation for \dot{r}. The right side of the equation is a constant, so that gives:

2 \dot{r} \ddot{r} - F(r) \dot{r} = 0

where - F(r) is the derivative of that potential-like expression on the left side. Dividing through by \dot{r} and rearranging gives you a second-order equation for r:

\ddot{r} = \frac{1}{2} F(r)

Now, at this point, you can use a trick from nonrelativistic orbital dynamics. You do a simultaneous change of dependent variable from r to u = \frac{1}{r} and a change of independent variable from t to \phi.
 
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Hmm, okay... so doing that I end up with the equation, $$\ddot r = \frac {l^2} {r ^3} - 3 \frac {V_o l^2} {r^4} - 2 \frac {V_0} {r^2},$$ substituting ##u = \frac {1} {r}## is simple enough for the RHS of the equation, but not for understanding exactly how to change ##\ddot r## into an equation of ##u(t)##. I know that ##\frac {d^2u} {dr^2} = \frac {2} {r^3}##, but I'm afraid I don't understand how to turn this into an equation in respect to time. I suppose I can take that ##\dot u = \frac {-1} {r^2} \dot r## and then ##\ddot u = \frac {2} {r^3} \dot r - \frac {1}{r^2}\ddot r##, but beyond that I'm not sure how to turn this purely into some ##u(t)## (beyond that, I realize I can take ##d\phi = \frac {L}{m}u^2 dt##, however).
 
As I said, you have to simultaneously change r to u and t to \phi.

\frac{dr}{dt} = \frac{dr}{du} \frac{du}{d\phi} \frac{d\phi}{dt}

\frac{dr}{du} = -\frac{1}{u^2}
\frac{d\phi}{dt} = \frac{\mathcal{l}}{mr^2} = \frac{\mathcal{l}}{m} u^2

So \frac{dr}{dt} = -\frac{\mathcal{l}}{m} \frac{du}{d\phi}

Then operate again by \frac{d}{dt} = \frac{d\phi}{dt} \frac{d}{d\phi} to get:

So \frac{d^2 r}{dt^2} = -(\frac{\mathcal{l}}{m})^2 u^2 \frac{d^2 u}{d\phi^2}
 
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Oh! That makes sense! And then plugging that into the equation gives $$- \frac {l^2} {m^2}u^2 u'' = l^2 u^3 - 3V_o l^2 u^4 - V_o u^2$$ and that turns into $$u'' + u - \frac {V_o} {l^2} - 3V_o u^2 = 0$$ if you take ##m = 1##! Thank you so much!
 

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