I Rewriting of Gibbs Free Energy in Peksin (Equations 13.35/13.36)

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The discussion focuses on the equivalence of two formulations of Gibbs Free Energy presented in Peskin's work. The equations involve initial condition functions and require mathematical manipulation to demonstrate their equivalence. A specific function transformation is proposed to facilitate this equivalence, leading to a clearer understanding of the relationship between the two forms. Additionally, the conversation touches on the relevance of Gibbs Free Energy in quantum field theory and its connection to other thermodynamic potentials. The participants emphasize the importance of understanding these relationships in the context of statistical physics and thermodynamics.
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Hey all,
On page 446 in Peskin, he provides 2 different ways of writing the Gibbs Free Energy:
$$\textbf{G}(M,t) = M^{1+\delta}h(tM^{-1/\beta})$$, and $$\textbf{G}(M,t) = t^{\beta(1+\delta)}f(Mt^{-\beta})$$ where ##h## and ##f## are some initial condition functions that have a smooth limit as ##t\rightarrow 0 ##. My question is how to see that these 2 equations are equivalent. I figure there is a relation that goes like ##\rho_{m} = m^2/M^2## and ##\rho_{m}\sim t## where the first equivalence is from pg. 436 and the second relation is from pg. 445 but I still cannot seem to make it work.
 
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It's just that ##M \sim |t|^{\beta}## (cf. p. 441, Eq. (13.7)).
 
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vanhees71 said:
It's just that ##M \sim |t|^{\beta}## (cf. p. 441, Eq. (13.7)).
But I thought the point of 13.35 and 13.36 were to derive 13.7 so we couldn't assume that relation a priori?
 
I don't know anything about the subject material in chapter 13 of Peskin. But maybe it's just some mathematical manipulations to show the equivalence of $$\textbf{G}(M,t) = M^{1+\delta}h(tM^{-1/\beta})$$ and $$\textbf{G}(M,t) = t^{\beta(1+\delta)}f(Mt^{-\beta}).$$

Define the function ##H(x)## by the relation ##h(x) \equiv x^p H(x)##, where ##p## is a number that we will specify shortly. Then, $$\textbf{G}(M,t) = M^{1+\delta}h(tM^{-1/\beta}) = M^{1+\delta}\left(tM^{-1/\beta}\right)^p H(tM^{-1/\beta}). $$ Let ##p = \beta(1+\delta)## so that $$\textbf{G}(M,t) = M^{[(1+\delta)-(1+\delta)]} t^{\beta(1+\delta)} H(tM^{-1/\beta}) = t^{\beta(1+\delta)} H(tM^{-1/\beta}).$$ Hence, $$\textbf{G}(M,t) = t^{\beta(1+\delta)} H(tM^{-1/\beta}) =t^{\beta(1+\delta)} H\left[\left(Mt^{-\beta}\right)^{-1/\beta}\right] = t^{\beta(1+\delta)} f(Mt^{-\beta})$$ where ##f(Mt^{-\beta}) \equiv H\left[\left(Mt^{-\beta}\right)^{-1/\beta}\right]##.

Does this work?
 
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thatboi said:
On page 446 in Peskin, he provides 2 different ways of writing the Gibbs Free Energy

You mean Peskin and Schroeder. Peskin is an altogether different book.
 
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George Jones said:
Peskin is an altogether different book.
Concepts of Elementary Particle Physics.
 
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And Schroeder is Thermal physics ;)
 
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TSny said:
I don't know anything about the subject material in chapter 13 of Peskin. But maybe it's just some mathematical manipulations to show the equivalence of $$\textbf{G}(M,t) = M^{1+\delta}h(tM^{-1/\beta})$$ and $$\textbf{G}(M,t) = t^{\beta(1+\delta)}f(Mt^{-\beta}).$$

Define the function ##H(x)## by the relation ##h(x) \equiv x^p H(x)##, where ##p## is a number that we will specify shortly. Then, $$\textbf{G}(M,t) = M^{1+\delta}h(tM^{-1/\beta}) = M^{1+\delta}\left(tM^{-1/\beta}\right)^p H(tM^{-1/\beta}). $$ Let ##p = \beta(1+\delta)## so that $$\textbf{G}(M,t) = M^{[(1+\delta)-(1+\delta)]} t^{\beta(1+\delta)} H(tM^{-1/\beta}) = t^{\beta(1+\delta)} H(tM^{-1/\beta}).$$ Hence, $$\textbf{G}(M,t) = t^{\beta(1+\delta)} H(tM^{-1/\beta}) =t^{\beta(1+\delta)} H\left[\left(Mt^{-\beta}\right)^{-1/\beta}\right] = t^{\beta(1+\delta)} f(Mt^{-\beta})$$ where ##f(Mt^{-\beta}) \equiv H\left[\left(Mt^{-\beta}\right)^{-1/\beta}\right]##.

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Yes great! I see now thanks a lot.
 
malawi_glenn said:
And Schroeder is Thermal physics ;)
This explains why his QFT book talks about Gibbs free energy.
 
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QFT and many-body physics is so closely related that it is no surprise, if you find at least one chapter on it also in vacuum-QFT textbooks ;-).
 
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vanhees71 said:
QFT and many-body physics is so closely related that it is no surprise, if you find at least one chapter on it also in vacuum-QFT textbooks ;-).
I'm used to partition function ##Z## and closely related Helmholtz free energy ##F## (the relation is ##Z=e^{-\beta F}##) in particle QFT, but Gibbs free energy in particle QFT looks quite exotic to me. The Minkowski version of ##-\beta F## is ##iW[J]## which generates only connected Feynman diagrams. What kind of diagrams are generated by the Minkowski version of Gibbs free energy?
 
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That's of course true, but which thermodynamical potential you address is not that important. They are all related by Legendre transformations.
 
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vanhees71 said:
That's of course true, but which thermodynamical potential you address is not that important. They are all related by Legendre transformations.
Sometimes it's important. For example the Jarzynski equality in non-equilibrium statistical physics
$$\left\langle e^{-\beta W}\right\rangle = e^{-\beta \Delta F}$$
is valid for ##F##, but, as far as I know, there is no analog for other thermodynamic potentials.

The ##F## in thermodynamics is in many ways analogous to the Lagrangian in mechanics, and Lagrangian has some special properties which other "energy" functions in mechanics don't have.
 
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