RF emitted from Lightning strikes

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the energy emitted from lightning strikes, particularly focusing on the RF (radio frequency) spectrum and the potential for harnessing this energy. Participants explore the characteristics of the Schumann Resonance cavity and the frequencies associated with lightning strikes, considering both theoretical and practical implications.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant, Jason O, mentions a researcher’s claim that only about 1 joule of energy circulates in the Schumann Resonance cavity at 7.83Hz, with most energy converted to heat, suggesting that the most significant RF energy may be in the kHz range.
  • Another participant argues that a lightning strike consists of a wide range of frequencies, potentially peaking in the ultraviolet range, but expresses uncertainty about the exact peak frequency.
  • Some participants suggest alternative energy sources, such as ocean waves, wind, solar, or nuclear energy, as potentially more viable than tapping into lightning energy.
  • A participant refers to a NATO standard, STANAG 4236, which contains statistical data on lightning and the RF spectrum, indicating that it could provide useful information regarding peak frequencies.
  • Another participant provides estimated figures for the electromagnetic field detected at ground level near a lightning strike, detailing how voltage and current measurements vary with frequency.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express a range of views on the feasibility and potential of harnessing energy from lightning strikes, with no consensus on the most effective frequency range or method for energy extraction. Some participants propose alternative energy sources, indicating a lack of agreement on the viability of lightning energy.

Contextual Notes

Participants note the limitations of their claims, including reliance on estimates and the need for further research to determine specific frequencies and energy levels associated with lightning strikes.

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Hello All,

I’m still perusing the whole idea of tapping into the energy in the Schumann Resonance cavity. But, even if I can manage to do that, I figured it would be a good idea to at least find out how much energy is actually there to couple with.

Recently, I corresponded with a researcher who actually studies the subject (frequencies in the ELF/VLF range) and asked him how much energy is actually stored in the cavity at the fundamental frequency of 7.83Hz. He said that there is only about 1 joule of energy constantly circulating at anyone time because, though the cavity is stimulated by some 100 lightning strikes per second, most of the energy is converted to heat. The remaining RF energies are actually in the low to mid kHz spectrum. So I believe that the most powerful RF energy has to be collected in the kHz range and not the Hz range.

I was just wondering if anyone here knows what frequency, in the kHz, band(s) contains the most RF energy from lightning strikes?

Thanks,
Jason O
 
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Basically a lightning strike is a pulse of electrical energy, which according to Fourier analysis is the sum of infinite frequencies from 0 Hz to Gamma radiation, but mostly some frequencies are attenuated more than others.

I don't know where the peak is, most likely in the UV (ultraviolet) because lighting is whitish blue a tail of UV.

1 Joule total energy from Schuman resonances is hardly enough anyway, you could possibly recover a pico or a femto joule.

There is vasts amounts of energy in the atmosphere waiting to be tapped, glad somebody is working on that, that was Tesla's dream, and he may actually taped some energy from the atmosphere using his tesla coils. Suggest you read more about that.
 
Humm. IMHO you would be better off with something with a little more energy gain; like ocean waves, wind, solar. How about nuclear?
 
Hi what,

Actually I have done a lot of reading up on Tesla as well as research into many of the things he worked on (Radiant Energy, one-wire power systems, Tesla Coils etc.) Here is an approch that I want to use to tap into the ambiant energy as soon as I can figure out how to do it practicaly:

http://amasci.com/tesla/nearfld1.html

- Jason O
 
Assuming you have access to a library that can order standards try to get a copy of "STANAG 4236" this is the NATO standard for lightning, and gives statistical data on all aspects of lightning including the RF spectrum. I've never seen a free source for STANAGs though.

I will try and remember took look at my copy on Monday morning and give you an indication of the peak frequency.
 
Hi Panda,

Thanks, that would help me greatly :-).

- Jason O
 
OK - these figures are taken off a graph so they are visual estimates rather than definite values.

the EM Field you would expect to detect at ground level 1.5-2km from the strike can be divided into two linear sections.

Section 1 drops at 20dB/decade to 100MHz
Section 2 drops at 45dB/decade above 100MHz

at 200 kHz
Voltage is around 100 dB uV/m measured at 1kHz interval
Current is around 69dB uA/m measured at 1kHz interval

Therefore you would need to balance achievable receiving antenna gain that's going to drop off with reducing frequency with spectral power which drops off with increasing frequency.
 

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