Ricci Tensor: Covariant Derivative & Its Significance

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The discussion centers on the Ricci tensor and its covariant divergence in the context of General Relativity (GR). It is established that the covariant divergence of the Ricci tensor is generally non-zero, depending on the specific spacetime, while the covariant divergence of the stress-energy tensor (SET) is deduced to be zero based on the properties of the Einstein tensor. In vacuum solutions like Schwarzschild spacetime, both the Ricci tensor and its covariant divergence are zero. The conversation highlights misconceptions regarding the relationship between the covariant divergence of the Ricci tensor and the stress-energy tensor.

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  • Understanding of General Relativity (GR) principles
  • Familiarity with tensors, specifically the Ricci tensor
  • Knowledge of covariant derivatives and divergences
  • Basic concepts of vacuum solutions in spacetime, such as Schwarzschild spacetime
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  • Study the properties of the Ricci tensor in various spacetimes
  • Learn about the Einstein Field Equations and their implications
  • Investigate the continuity equation in the context of General Relativity
  • Explore the significance of vacuum solutions in GR, focusing on Schwarzschild metrics
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This discussion is beneficial for physicists, students of theoretical physics, and anyone interested in the mathematical foundations of General Relativity and the behavior of tensors in curved spacetime.

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I read recently that Einstein initially tried the Ricci tensor alone as the left hand side his field equation but the covariant derivative wasn't zero as the energy tensor was. What is the covariant derivative of the Ricci tensor if not zero?
 
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dsaun777 said:
the covariant derivative wasn't zero as the energy tensor was

It is true that the covariant divergence (not derivative) of the Ricci tensor is in general not zero. However, it is not true that the covariant divergence of the stress-energy tensor is zero. More precisely, there is no way of showing it to be zero, independently of the Einstein Field Equation. In other words, in GR as it was finally formulated, we deduce that the covariant divergence of the SET is zero because we know the covariant divergence of the Einstein tensor is zero, not the other way around.

dsaun777 said:
What is the covariant derivative of the Ricci tensor if not zero?

The exact nonzero value of the covariant divergence of the Ricci tensor (in spacetimes where it is not zero) depends on the spacetime. In vacuum solutions, such as Schwarzschild spacetime, the Ricci tensor itself is identically zero (that's part of what it means to be a vacuum solution), so its covariant divergence is also zero.
 
I thought the covariant divergence of energy tensor was an implied result of the continuity equation which led to him seeking a curvature term that had that also had the same result.
 
dsaun777 said:
I thought the covariant divergence of energy tensor was an implied result of the continuity equation

Why do you think that? Where did you get the idea from?
 
PeterDonis said:
Why do you think that? Where did you get the idea from?
My mom told me.
 
dsaun777 said:
My mom told me.

Are you serious? Is your mom a physicist?
 
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My mom told me.
Your mom sounds awesome!
 

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