Can We Explain the Cosmological Constant as a Tensorial Concept?

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The discussion centers on the possibility of explaining the cosmological constant as a tensorial concept within the framework of general relativity. Participants explore the implications of adding terms involving the metric tensor to the Einstein field equations (EFE) and the mathematical validity of such expressions.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants propose that since the covariant derivative of the metric vanishes, terms like ##+\Lambda g_{\mu\nu}## can be added to the EFE.
  • Others argue that any power of the metric, such as ##+\Lambda_1 g_{\mu\rho}g^\rho_\nu##, could also be considered, leading to a contraction that simplifies to ##\Lambda_1 g_{\mu\nu}##.
  • A participant questions whether expressions like ##(g_{\mu\nu})^2## can yield the metric, leading to discussions about the legality of such expressions.
  • There is a mention of a potential issue when constructing a mass term for the graviton in spin-2 field theories, suggesting complexities in the tensorial approach.
  • Another participant introduces the idea of a special case involving a tensorial cosmological constant, but questions arise about the definition and completeness of this tensor.
  • One participant expresses skepticism about the proposed tensorial construction, suggesting it may reduce to a simpler form that does not justify its complexity.

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Participants express differing views on the validity and implications of adding tensorial terms to the EFE. There is no consensus on whether the proposed tensorial cosmological constant is a viable concept, and the discussion remains unresolved.

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Limitations include the need for clear definitions of terms used in the discussion, as well as the potential for ambiguity in the mathematical expressions proposed. The discussion also highlights the complexity of tensorial constructions in the context of general relativity.

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Can we explain the cosmological constant in this way ?

The Einstein tensor is derived from the Ricci tensor and one property is that, like the stress-energy tensor, its covariant derivative shall vanish.

Since the covariant derivative of the metric vanishes it can be added to the EFE as ##+\Lambda g_{\mu\nu}##

But then we could add any power of the metric like ##+\Lambda_1 g_{\mu\rho}g^\rho_\nu## ?
 
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jk22 said:
But then we could add any power of the metric like ##+\Lambda_1 g_{\mu\rho}g^\rho_\nu## ?
Contract over ##\rho## and this becomes ##\Lambda_1 g_{\mu\nu}##. This is true for any product of repetitions of the metric that only has two free indices.
 
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jk22 said:
Since the covariant derivative of the metric vanishes it can be added to the EFE

Yes, this is actually the more or less standard argument among physicists for why the cosmological constant term should be expected to be present.
 
Does ##(g_{\mu\nu})^2## also give the metric ?
 
jk22 said:
Does ##(g_{\mu\nu})^2## also give the metric ?

What do you mean by ##(g_{\mu\nu})^2##?
 
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Does ##(g_{\mu\nu})^2## also give the metric ?
Interpreting ##\left(g_{\mu\nu}\right)^2## literally as ##g_{\mu\nu}g_{\mu\nu}## it's an illegal expression. Interpreting it as ##g_{\mu\nu}g^{\mu\nu}## it's ##\delta_\mu^\mu=4##.
 
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Ibix said:
Interpreting ##\left(g_{\mu\nu}\right)^2## literally as ##g_{\mu\nu}g_{\mu\nu}## it's an illegal expression. Interpreting it as ##g_{\mu\nu}g^{\mu\nu}## it's ##\delta_\mu^\mu=4##.
A similar problem arises when you naively would construct a mass term for the graviton in spin-2 field theories, as compared to spin-0 and spin-1.
 
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haushofer said:
A similar problem arises when you naively would construct a mass term for the graviton in spin-2 field theories, as compared to spin-0 and spin-1.
Learning QFT is still on my to-do list. One of these days... :oldfrown:
 
I mean a special case of ##\lambda_{\mu\nu}^{a_1b_1a_2b_2...a_nb_n}g_{a_1b_1}g_{a_2b_2}...g_{a_nb_n}##
 
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jk22 said:
Does ##(g_{\mu\nu})^2## also give the metric ?
PeterDonis said:
What do you mean by ##(g_{\mu\nu})^2##?
jk22 said:
I mean a special case of ##\lambda_{\mu\nu}^{a_1b_1a_2b_2...a_nb_n}g_{a_1b_1}g_{a_2b_2}...g_{a_nb_n}##
So, do you mean ##\lambda_{\mu\nu}^{ab}g_{ab}##? What is ##\lambda##?
 
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##\lambda## were a 2+2n constant tensor. It lacks a sum over n to be complete.
 
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jk22 said:
##\lambda## were a 2+2n constant tensor.

What 2 + 2n constant tensor? What are you talking about?
 
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I think OP is proposing ##\lambda## as a tensorial cosmological constant (or at least, asking if such a thing is possible). As I think I've said to you before, @jk22, you must always define your terms. I think I've guessed your meaning, but it is a guess and guesswork is no basis for scientific communication.

Assuming my guess is correct, I think the answer is no. The construction proposed reduces to ##\lambda_{\mu\nu}{}^{a_1}{}_{a_1}{}^{a_2}{}_{a_2}...{}^{a_n}{}_{a_n}=\lambda_{\mu\nu}##, a rank two tensor, which you are only free to add if its covariant derivative is zero. So this is either an over-complicated way of writing ##\Lambda g_{\mu\nu}## or it's not allowed.
 

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