Riddle game - Something for you scientists

[SpeedyKupad]

In the spirit of blatantly refusing to be smacked in the face with the hint, let's see if I can dodge it! What if we try some of the old methods, only we skip X if we double back on it?

Well, that sure sounds like its not in the spirit of the new hint, but if I can't think of anything soon I might try it...

Still, what methods are there that haven't doubled back on themselves yet?

well then go try it. this is one riddle that can be solved by trial & error. And oh, pure luck!

 

[SpeedyKupad]

im tired. my back is aching. I am resting for a while. but give me an update on how's it going on your end. ill be back in about 30 mins.

 

[FranklinDR]

Hmm, this feels a bit like twenty hours without sleep. Anyway, a lot of the methods run into X again - I am guessing we ditch those, although we could just "skip" x. But skipping it seems kinda against the grain of the new clue, so yeah. Let's find some non re-x'ing methods!

Not that anyone else is online to throw their ideas out. Ah, well... such is the life of a person who doesn't have much time left here.

 

[Boxcutter]

where do you not have much time left?

 

[FranklinDR]

I think I relayed it in the emails. Normally, I don't join forums, but I was a touch pressed for time. I was also under the impression that I was close to the end of the riddle, until a few hours ago.

 

[SpeedyKupad]

im back
*cleans up the table* *prints another copy of papa grid & baby grid then looks on her gleaming new pad*

i get the feeling that this riddle isn't too complicated as we perceive it to be.

*finally decides to get organized and use a scientific approach*

problem: what's the mystery word?
hypothesis: AHRMMTYD
solution:
step#1. use the small grid as a directional guide.
step#2. identify the correct directional flow. (clockwise. start at NW end with W as in the pattern of the small grid)
step#3. identify the number of steps needed to fall from x to the mystery letter. (rule of 3s or 1-8-18-13-13-20-25-4?)
step#4. search. use x as point 0.
step#5. read.
findings: ?
conclusion: ?

*then finally decides to take another breather*

 

[FranklinDR]

step #6 (franklin exclusive): sit back and watch as SpeedyKupad saves the day.

Ok, my findings: It's tough to get a comprehensible word that doesn't cross X again.
I tried pairing the ahrmmtyd with the compass - a to a, d to h, etc then going the ahrmmtyd number value in the direction indicated and got nothing. And I am in the habbit of modifying the answers I get by the rule of three and seeing if its any good, but no luck. So unless I did it wrong due to sleep deprivation, I think we can rule that method out.

Oh eff, looking back I realize that I'm not entirely sure that I've been doing diagonal moves that go off the board correctly. What the confusing. Time to go back and try the old methods again.

 

[SpeedyKupad]

conclusions: we need further research and different conversion methods for AHRMMTYD . (2) we need more clues from the riddler (3) we are seriously stuck and cursed.

 

[SpeedyKupad]

your last two posts have contained lots of things that are good. of course some things that you say are not entirely correct, but stay in this area.

whose posts please?

 

[SpeedyKupad]

your last two posts have contained lots of things that are good. of course some things that you say are not entirely correct, but stay in this area.

frank: don't sleep yet. we're doing good.

 

[Zarii]

Morning

so, what you've got? :P

 

[FranklinDR]

Haha, I am not worried about sleep now, my estemated time of departure is sometime between an hour and two hours away. Think we can solve it by then?

 

[SpeedyKupad]

surely! can you give me the directional values of those letters again please. can't find which thread is it on.

hi zarii! go help us!

 

[FranklinDR]

So, if our last two posts are good, the whole compas pairing idea still doesn't work very well because it runs over X again when you hit the third letter. If you modify every letter by 3 first, then you get gibberish. Although I am pretty sure that our answers which don't make sense might become sensicle if we apply the rule of 3. Anyone getting anywhere else?

 

[Zarii]

Any leads in the right direction so I know what to work with here?

 

[FranklinDR]

Ok:

Northwest: A
North: D
Northeast: G
East: J
Southeast: M
South: P
Southwest: S
West: V

That what you wanted?

 

[Zarii]

Ain't west a v? :)

 

[FranklinDR]

Any leads in the right direction so I know what to work with here?

We got a message from boxcutter last page saying two of our posts were good, you might want to read them. Oh, and BE CAREFUL about how you treat diagonalls - if you are going diagonally and you go off the page, it isn't always easy to know where you come back on. That messed me up for a while.

Edit: And yeah, yeah, west is a V. Sorry, twenty one hours without sleep sometimes blurs the line between V and U

 

[SpeedyKupad]

yup. that was what i wanted. i'll try to cook something up.

EDIT: Wrong. that wasnt what i wanted. wasn't there a post few hours back re letter equivalent of N, S, E, W? Or was that it? cause i didnt pay too much attention on that.

if that was it then nevermind. I've had that since yesterday. or is it 2 days ago?

 

[FranklinDR]

Did you mean pairing ahrmmtyd to the compass? Because then you get:

NW 1
N 8
NE 18
E 13
SE 13
S 20
SW 25
W 4

Dunno if that helps. Also, remember that it can be rule-of-three'd to add three to all the numbers - but 26 is the highest number, so SW would become 2, not 28.

 

[SpeedyKupad]

Did you mean pairing ahrmmtyd to the compass? Because then you get:

NW 1
N 8
NE 18
E 13
SE 13
S 20
SW 25
W 4

Dunno if that helps. Also, remember that it can be rule-of-three'd to add three to all the numbers - but 26 is the highest number, so SW would become 2, not 28.

nah, that's not it either. anyways, ill TRY to come up with the number of steps needed first cause i'd like to throw all those big numbers away.

 

[Zarii]

Okey, start at x, should you always start at x or should you start at x at first and then start to use the other coordinations where you landed after x

 

[Zarii]

"whAt is tHis gRid in front of you? it seeMs soMeone is Trying to confuse You, Doesn't it?"

In the first word the A is 3 letter, H the 2, R the second etc.. which gives us

32243111

 

[Boxcutter]

nah, that's not it either. anyways, ill TRY to come up with the number of steps needed first cause i'd like to throw all those big numbers away.

yes, big numbers are dull ;)

 

[FranklinDR]

Btw, zarri, did you catch the modified hint on the first part of 60? Because it changed.

 

[SpeedyKupad]

people: try using the numbers 9-3-8-3-3-5-4-4 or/and 9-4-2-1-3-6-6-2

lets see how it goes.

 

[Zarii]

Btw, zarri, did you catch the modified hint on the first part of 60? Because it changed.

Nah, not really ?

Edit: okej, now I saw it

 

[FranklinDR]

people: try using the numbers 9-3-8-3-3-5-4-4 or/and 9-4-2-1-3-6-6-2

lets see how it goes.

I trust you, but out of curiosity: how those numbers?

 

[aescnt]

Hey guys,
Is there anywhere I can ask for clues? I'm on 54 at the moment.

 

[SpeedyKupad]

mine didn't go well.

how did that go to you guys?

 

[SpeedyKupad]

I trust you, but out of curiosity: how those numbers?

sorry i was in a hurry to do it and didnt get to explain how i got it. i counted the no of times AHRMMTYD and ADGJMPSV appeared on the grid.

 

[FranklinDR]

Good idea, but I didnt have any luck. I am still liking the "go around in a circle" idea - I just need to get it to work. In other words, I need 8 numbers, then the first one goes NW, the second N, the third NE, etc. What other sets of 8 numbers haven't we tried?

 

[Zarii]

when we move by that little grid we move clockwise?, sorry.. Don't get much out of this.

 

[FranklinDR]

Yeah, I think so, since that's the way the 3rd alphabet letter sequence works- starts with A and goes clockwise.

I tried 32243111, got iouaiaar which is lrxdlddu by the 3 rule. Shame, I thought I almost had something.

 

[SpeedyKupad]

when we move by that little grid we move clockwise?, sorry.. Don't get much out of this.

thats how i do it. but its okay to try on your own but justifiable direction so well have a variety of things going on.

just don't forget to share if you get to the right one.

 

[FranklinDR]

Hey guys,
Is there anywhere I can ask for clues? I'm on 54 at the moment.

Yeah, sure, send one of us a PM and we can probably help. I am leaving civilization for a week (pretty soon), so I wouldn't be the best option, but if you can't find clues in previous posts here, then PM someone.

 

[Zarii]

We need some other numbers, or something, those we've already got has lead me nowhere

 

[SpeedyKupad]

anyone who can cut down the numbers a little bit more? i hate the idea of going to the other end of the grid although for the NE, E, SE directions it seems needed.

 

[Boxcutter]

you will never reach the end of the grid if you do it correctly, so if that happens, you know it's the wrong way to do it

 

[FranklinDR]

Yeah, going around the grid seems scetchy. I would normally say to start from X each time, but given the new hint we know now not to do that. Uh, 32243111 is about as small as they get, and they still go through, so I dunno. We know we can't go around... maybe we start from a different direction? But the compass sarts with A, so you think you would start with NW.

 

[ffutahw]

On 61 (all speculation)

<Working off of the assumption of the small grid as a compass, and the current positions of letters on the grid, here is a possible re-working of the small grid to include the entire alphabet. I've arranged them into groups of three, with the central letter in each grouping being the letter indicated in the small grid on 61. 8 spots x 3 = 24 letters total, leaving two characters as 'extra.' It was a tough call for where to place X, Y, and Z respectively, but I grouped Z with A based on the visual clue that each letter on the small grid was the middle of a group of three letters. As for X and Y, I stuck them in the center of the grid, indicating no movement; this may change. I did this because I thought the clue about x may not only refer to the large grid; it may indicated (the / one of the) letters meant for the 'center' of the small grid. As currently laid out, each grouping points to a simple north, northeast, east, etc. direction.

i78.photobucket.com/albums/j113/ffutahw/compassmaybe.jpg

Possible variation: for the outlying letters in each group, for every three "steps" move two spaces in the groups direction and one in the next direction over, similar to the pattern that a knight moves in chess. Example: D is a given as north, so for every three steps, all three would be north. C is to the west of D, but still in D's group, so for every three steps, move two to the north, and one to the northwest. E, on the other hand, would move two to the north and one to the northeast.

For some reason, I don't think the 'rule of 3' carries as much weight as some of you guys think it does, and I think the skipping of letters may be more relevant when used in this way, to indicate variations on grid movement. However, it's a simple matter to just apply a 'rule of three' to each attempt and compare the results to what you get without the rule of three.[/color]>

 

[FranklinDR]

Oh don't you go making me sing Zelda again, boxcutter.

 

[Zarii]

nintendo controller? O.-

 

[SpeedyKupad]

ASUZIEOS is the best i get get.

so close, yet so far...

 

[Zarii]

I have to go to work in about 30 minutes (not that it feels that I'm contributing with something yet either, but still) >.<

 

[FranklinDR]

Hmm...
*picks up computer and waves it around*

Shucks, I thoguht it might have been like the wii controller...

Seriously, though, if its like the old NES controller, then we use the "directional arrows" to move... maybe we are MOVING THE X from place to place accoridng to the compass?

Maybe I'm insane, as well.

Well, where does it get us?

 

[FranklinDR]

I have to go to work in about 30 minutes (not that it feels that I'm contributing with something yet either, but still) >.<

I have to go camping for a week in 30 minutes...

 

[ffutahw]

Aw :-/ I thought I was getting somewhere. Came up with "inixappt" and at first thought I was on track to the word 'initiate.' Hmm...

 

[SpeedyKupad]

see the compass grid as a little nintendo controller.. if you see what i mean...

hmmm... i don't get the difference. what if its a jet I am driving?

edit: I am kinda seeing something...

 

[Zarii]

I have to go camping for a week in 30 minutes...

ouch >.<
Like camping?