Rigged Hilbert Space's And Quantum Mechanics

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the formulation of quantum mechanics (QM) in the context of Rigged Hilbert Spaces (RHS) and the mathematical rigor associated with it. Participants explore the differences between traditional Hilbert space approaches and RHS, particularly in relation to the Generalized Spectral Theorem and the treatment of Dirac Delta functions within QM. The conversation includes references to various textbooks and papers that address these topics.

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  • Technical explanation
  • Debate/contested
  • Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants express confusion about why physics textbooks do not adopt the Rigged Hilbert Space approach, suggesting that traditional methods may oversimplify the mathematical rigor needed.
  • One participant recommends Galindo & Pascual's two-volume set as a satisfactory source for RHS, while noting the limited literature on the subject.
  • Another participant highlights that Von Neumann's work is rigorous but does not fully address spectral equations for arbitrary self-adjoint operators.
  • There is mention of the lack of comprehensive proofs in the literature, particularly regarding the nuclear spectral theorem, which some participants find essential for understanding RHS.
  • Participants discuss various texts and papers that provide insights into RHS, including works by Arno Boehm and others, while noting challenges in finding accessible resources.
  • One participant points out that the proof of the generalized spectral theorem is sought after, and they have found some papers that address it, although they desire a more consolidated source.
  • Another participant mentions that the paper referenced by one of the contributors is derived from a well-known source, indicating a connection to established literature on the topic.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the need for more rigorous mathematical treatment in QM literature, particularly concerning RHS. However, there is no consensus on why traditional physics texts do not adopt this approach, and multiple viewpoints regarding the adequacy of existing resources remain present.

Contextual Notes

Some participants note the limitations of existing texts in providing comprehensive proofs and the challenges posed by the mathematical complexity of RHS. The discussion reflects a dependency on specific definitions and interpretations of quantum mechanics and mathematical frameworks.

Who May Find This Useful

This discussion may be useful for students and researchers interested in the mathematical foundations of quantum mechanics, particularly those exploring the Rigged Hilbert Space formulation and its implications for theoretical physics.

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Ages ago when I first learned about QM the textbooks all said QM was formulated in a Hilbert Space. Yet you had this Dirac Delta function and infinite norms. Got a hold of Von Neumans book and yea it resolved it but by using the Stieltjes Integral and resolutions of the identity however that is not what physics books used. Looks like I was stuck with either something that looked like a mathematical slight of hand or a rigorous treatment no one seemed to use.

Then I heard about Rigged Hilbert spaces and the Generalised Spectral Theorem that solved the issue. Got a hold of some literature on it and it looked the goods.

Only trouble is why don't the physics books do it that way? I have Ballentine - QM - A Modern Approach but its the only one I know of.

Any ideas guys?

Thanks
Bill
 
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There's no textbook written with full degree of rigorosity. I find Galindo & Pascual's 2 volume set the most satisfactory source. The literature on RHS is not too extended but I find it enough to fill the need of mathematical rigor. The only model which I haven't seen addressed by people who published on RHSs is a 3D one, namely the H-atom. I remember only some article, but very sketchy, by some guy Komy in the proceedings of the Trieste Intl. School of Theoretical Physics.

Anyways, search for papers published by Arno Boehm and his disciples M. Gadella and especially Rafael de la Madrid. See also the sources quoted here: https://www.physicsforums.com/showthread.php?t=435123
 
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dextercioby said:
There's no textbook written with full degree of rigorosity. I find Galindo & Pascual's 2 volume set the most satisfactory source. The literature on RHS is not too extended but I find it enough to fill the need of mathematical rigor. The only model which I haven't seen addressed by people who published on RHSs is a 3D one, namely the H-atom. I remember only some article, but very sketchy, by some guy Komy in the proceedings of the Trieste Intl. School of Theoretical Physics.

Anyways, search for papers published by Arno Boehm and his disciples M. Gadella and especially Rafael de la Madrid.

I thought Von Neumann's book was pretty rigorous.

Thanks for the shinny though. Do you mean Arno Bohm? - I know he wrote a textbook about the Rigged Hilbert Space formulation but it seems old and out of print.

I am looking for a text to complement Ballantine. I did a bit of a search on Amazon and can't find anything about it. Any idea where you can get it from - I may fork out for it if its not too expensive.

Thanks
Bill
 
Von Neumann's book IS rigorous, but he doesn't consider spectral equations and their solutions for arbitrary self-adjoint operators in Hilbert spaces. His solution to the spectral problems proposes POVMs and direct integrals but these 2 concepts are really hiding distributions as measures. Von Neumann's book was partly re-written by Reed and Simon's 4 volumes and by <Quantum Mechanics in Hilbert Space> (2 editions) by Eduard Prugovecky.

It's Boehm, for I can't put the Umlaut on the 'o' from the laptop's keyboard. :biggrin:

Anyways, if you don't afford/don't find Galindo & Pascual, then I recommend A. Capri's book :<Nonrelativistic Quantum Mechanics> or even A. Boehm's own textbook. I hope it's cheaper and/or easier to find.
 
Again - thanks for the skinny.

Thanks
Bill
 
bhobba said:
Only trouble is why don't the physics books do it that way?
They usually just think of it as "Hilbert space with distributions and a delta-valued inner product". That's easier to think about, and faster to reach useful calculational techniques.

I am looking for a text to complement Ballantine.

It depends on what precisely you mean by "complement Ballentine"?
Every paper I've seen by Arno Bohm and his students/collaborators stops short of an actual proof of the nuclear spectral theorem which underpins the whole approach. For that, you need a math book like Gelfand & Vilenkin vol 4 -- which is a challenging read.

Maybe you should say what questions/issues you find unanswered in Ballentine's introductory treatment?
 
strangerep said:
Every paper I've seen by Arno Bohm and his students/collaborators stops short of an actual proof of the nuclear spectral theorem which underpins the whole approach. For that, you need a math book like Gelfand & Vilenkin vol 4 -- which is a challenging read. Maybe you should say what questions/issues you find unanswered in Ballentine's introductory treatment?

Well the proof of the generalised spectral theorem for one. However I have dug up some papers from the Internet that does prove it a while ago and have gone through the proof eg:
http://www.math.neu.edu/~king_chris/GenEf.pdf

Its just I was hoping to have it all in one place.

Ballentine is by far my favourite QM textbook but having a background in math I am always hoping for bit more mathematical detail.

Thanks
Bill
 
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The paper you found is a copy-paste from one of the appendices of Berezin & Shubin's <The Schrödinger Equation>. It's based on Hilbert-Schmidt riggings, a concept developed by Berezanskii at the end of the 50's. Another proof you can find is in Maurin's book on Generalized Eigenfunctions (K. Maurin, Generalized Eigenfunction Expansions and Unitary Representations of Topological Groups, Polish Scientific Publishers, Warsaw, 1968).
 
dextercioby said:
The paper you found is a copy-paste from one of the appendices of Berezin & Shubin's <The Schrödinger Equation>. It's based on Hilbert-Schmidt riggings, a concept developed by Berezanskii at the end of the 50's. Another proof you can find is in Maurin's book on Generalized Eigenfunctions (K. Maurin, Generalized Eigenfunction Expansions and Unitary Representations of Topological Groups, Polish Scientific Publishers, Warsaw, 1968).

Man you know a lot of stuff off top of your head. Didn't know any of that, but in the case of a Hilbert-Schmidt rigging of a Rigged Hilbert space it does seem to justify the key idea.

Thanks
Bill
 

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