Rigorous Quantum Field Theory.

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The discussion focuses on rigorous issues in quantum field theory (QFT), particularly the challenges of defining a finite Hamiltonian within the context of renormalized QFT. Participants explore the Epstein-Glaser renormalization approach and its implications for constructing the S-matrix, emphasizing the difficulties in transitioning from finite to infinite volume. There is a consensus that while renormalized QFT can yield accurate S-matrix calculations, the lack of a well-defined finite Hamiltonian on Fock space presents a significant inconsistency. The conversation also touches on the propagation of effects in QFT and the existence of Hamiltonians on alternative Hilbert spaces, raising questions about the feasibility of a unified Hilbert space framework for interacting systems. Overall, the thread highlights ongoing debates and inquiries into the foundational aspects of QFT.
  • #241
meopemuk said:
I believe that people doing "rigorous QFT" are trying to solve these problems (e.g., time evolution and renormalization). I wish them well. However, in my personal (uneducated) opinion, they chose a wrong (formalistic) approach. I think one can also try an alternative approach which pays more attention to the physical meaning of theoretical constructions.
Yes, but remember that the rigorous approach is the only which has accomplished this goal nonperturbatively in any model. And they have done so in several models in two and three dimensions. They haven't accomplished four dimensions yet, but they have a better track record than approaches which have accomplished nothing nonperturbatively.

Wightman's axioms go beyond that and postulate that the same transformation law should be valid for interacting fields as well. As far as I know, there is no justification for this requirement.
No justification is a bit of a stretch. Let me list the theories where it is known to be true:
1. All pure scalar theories in 2D
2. All pure scalar theories in 3D
3. All Yukawa theories in 2D
4. All Yukawa theories in 3D
5. Yang-Mills in 2D
6. The Abelian Higgs-Model in 2D and 3D
7. The Gross-Neveu model in 2D and 3D
8. The Thirring model
and finally
9. All scalar theories in 4D.

The caveat on (9.) is that the only purely scalar theory which exists in 4D is probably the trivial one. However any field theory which exists has been proven to have this transformation property.
This list is basically every single theory we have constructed and understood nonperturbatively. So for every theory we have nonperturbative knowledge of, the transformation law holds.

The list of theories which exist nonperturbatively and don't obey the transformation law is an empty list. Hence I would say the assumption is justified, or at least far more justified than its negation.

The answer is given in Haag's theorem: If the "Lorentz" transformation condition is postulated for interacting fields, then there can be no interaction. So a theory having this postulate is simply inconsistent.
I don't know how many times I can repeat this, that is not what Haag's theorem says. Not even Shirokov, in the paper you quoted, mentions this. To transcribe what Haag's theorem says, again, into language you might understand:

Haag's theorem says that if the theory lives in the same Hilbert space as the free theory and obeys relativistic transformations and is translationally invariant, then it is free.

That is it says:
(Same Hilbert space) + (Normal transformation law) + (Translationally invariance) => Non-interacting

It does not say:
(Normal transformation law) => Non-interacting.

DarMM will tell you that there CAN be interaction, but in a different Hilbert space. That's something I can't comprehend.
It doesn't matter if you can't comprehend it or that I'm saying it. It is true and has been known to be true since 1969. I have even left references to papers which prove it in this thread, including in my two-part post above. It's perfectly fine if you can't imagine it, but it is true.
 
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  • #242
DarMM said:
That is it says:
(Same Hilbert space) + (Normal transformation law) + (Translationally invariance) => Non-interacting

Agreed.

Eugene.
 
  • #243


DarMM said:
If you integrate :\phi_{0}^{4}: against a test function it always results in a densely-defined operator. This is in contrast to \phi_{0}^{4}, which after smearing does not give a densely-defined operator.

Could you please give me a specific reference where these statements are derived rigorously?
(Or are they easy to derive but I'm still missing something?)

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[Edit: I sense a note of frustration in your post #241, so I just like to say two things:

a) THANK YOU for going to the effort in those earlier posts, and THANK YOU in advance
for (hopefully) future episodes of the climbing-the-ladder saga.

b) I do want to understand these things rigorously, including how one goes about
proving convergence since (among other things) acquiring such functional-analytic
skill is clearly valuable in any other non-Wightman approach that one might wish to
investigate.
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  • #244


strangerep said:
Could you please give me a specific reference where these statements are derived rigorously?
(Or are they easy to derive but I'm still missing something?)
Oh, they're certainly not easy to derive. The fact that Wick products give densely defined operators was first proved by Jaffe in 1966 [1]. However I personally fined a later derivation by Segal in 1967 to be much clearer [2]. Segal has a very erudite way of writing, which you will either love or find very difficult to read.

I should also say the theorem is much harder to prove in the Hamiltonian approach that I'm discussing. In the Functional-Integral (Path-Integral) approach it's just a matter of evaluating a single Feynman diagram. See Glimm and Jaffe's book Section 8.5, Proposition 8.5.1.

[1] Jaffe, A. : Wick polynomials at a fixed time. J. Math. Phys. 7, 1250 — 1255

[2] Segal, I. "Notes toward the construction of nonlinear relativistic quantum
fields, I. The Hamiltonian in two space-time dimensions as the generator
of a C*-automorphism group." Proc. Natl. Acad. Sci. U. S. 57, p.1178—1183

[Edit: I sense a note of frustration in your post #241, so I just like to say two things:

a) THANK YOU for going to the effort in those earlier posts, and THANK YOU in advance
for (hopefully) future episodes of the climbing-the-ladder saga.

b) I do want to understand these things rigorously, including how one goes about
proving convergence since (among other things) acquiring such functional-analytic
skill is clearly valuable in any other non-Wightman approach that one might wish to
investigate.
You're more than welcome, I will be glad to continue the series of posts.
 
  • #245
DrFaustus said:
DarMM -> Have more than one question, but will limit myself to a quick one for now. From your post it is clear that the infrared problem is the crucial one in 2D. How does such a construction come across in the algebraic framework where the IR and UV problems are disentangled? And, perhaps even more importantly, why would such an algebraic construction not be feasible in higher dimensions?
In a purely algebraic approach, this whole construction is quite easy to carry out. The C*-algebra of observables for the finite and infinite volume theories are exactly the same. The only difference is the representation of the algebra.

Let's say the representation of the algebra which gives you the finite volume theory is \rho_{\Lambda}. All \rho_{\Lambda} are unitarily equivalent, only the infinite volume theory \rho_{\infty} is unitarily inequivalent. Also, something which allows making estimates and bound easier, the \rho_{\Lambda} are all unitarily equivalent to the Fock/Free rep \pi.

So the entire construction of the theory is "merely" a matter of passing from one rep to another.

In higher dimensions though things are not so easy. As I will explain in detail, in three dimensions due to ultraviolet divergences one must renormalize. In the algebraic approach this shows up in the fact that the ultraviolet cutoff theory and the theory with no UV cutoff have the same C*-algebra, but different reps. Put another way, even though the algebra is again unchanged, the finite volume reps \rho_{\Lambda} are not unitarily equivalent to the Fock/Free rep \pi

Also unlike the 2D case \rho_{\Lambda} and \rho_{\Lambda'} for \Lambda \neq \Lambda' are unitarily inequivalent.

Let me sum up. In the Algebraic approach, ultraviolet divergences associated with mass and vacuum renormalization show up as changes in representations as you take some limit.

In the 2D case there is only ever one change in rep. If you take the UV limit, the rep stays the same. When you then take the infinite volume limit the rep change only shows up in the limit.

In the 3D case there is a change of rep in the UV limit. Then there is a change of rep for every single value of \Lambda in the ultraviolet limit.

In the 4D case things become incredibly difficult, unlike all previous cases the algebra itself changes as you take the UV limit. It's not just a rep change. It's difficult enough to control the reps, but controlling the algebra is something truly difficult. The change in the algebra itself is associated with coupling constant renormalization.

(If anybody is curious, Field Strength renormalization is associated with something you can't really see in the Algebraic approach. I'll explain it when I do my post on the 4D field.)
 
  • #246
from the book of Zeidler http://www.flipkart.com/book/quantum-electrodynamics-eberhard-zeidler-bridge/3540853766 i heard that all the 'divergent' quantities were encoded in the linear combination of dirac delta funciton

\sum_{n\ge 0}c_{n}\delta ^{n} (x) so when taken x=0 the expression was divergent. As far as i know Epstein-Glasser method allowed you to recover the Scattering S-matrix perturbatively plus a distributional contribution involivng dirac derivatives, also the fact that '2 distributions can not be multiplied' avoided us from getting finite result

could anyone give a lazyman intro to Epstein-Glasser theory ??
 
  • #247
DarMM, or anyone else for that matter, I'm trying to figure out the rigorous construction of the \varphi_2^4 and I'm reading Glimm and Jaffe, "Quantum field theory and Statistical mechanics - Expositions". Problem I find it a rather hard nut to crack. Tons of technicalities and I'm also failing to grasp the big picture, i.e. how are all the technicalities supposed to fit together. So question is, do yo know of any "pedagogical" account on the rigorous construction of \varphi_2^4 in a Minkowski setting? That is, no Haag-Kastler nor Osterwalder-Schrader. Would really appreciate any refrences. DarMM, you mentioned you found your notes... I'm guessing they're not in electronic format, are they?

zetafunction -> I did not use the Epstein-Glaser approach, so this is just the idea of how it works. Essentially, if you know the time ordered product of one Wick monomial, then by causality you know the TOP of 2 Wick monomials. And if you know the TOP of 2 WM, then you know the TOP of 3 WM. And so on. Here, when I say you know I mean "you can construct". For instance, ion the case of the usual \varphi^4 theory, causality will allow you to construct the following chain of TOP
T[:\varphi^4:] \longrightarrow T[:\varphi^4::\varphi^4:] \longrightarrow T[:\varphi^4::\varphi^4::\varphi^4:] \longrightarrow \dots.
Double dots denote normal ordering and the fields are free fields. Now, the problem with the above chain is that you have products of distributions which are generally ill defined for coinciding points. The extension of the TOP of 2 or more WM to the diagonal, i.e. to coinciding points, then amounts to renormalization. And the extension is also not unique, which corresponds to the usual renormalization ambiguities. Note that there are no divergencies here, everything's finite.
 

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