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The discussion focuses on the differences between rings and fields in abstract algebra, exploring their definitions, properties, and implications for mathematical structures. The scope includes theoretical aspects and definitions relevant to the topic.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants note that a field has more conditions than a ring, specifically that every non-zero element must have a multiplicative inverse and that multiplication must be commutative.
  • It is mentioned that a ring may or may not require a multiplicative identity, while a field must have one that is distinct from the zero-element.
  • Examples are provided, such as $\mathbb Z$ being a ring but not a field, and $\mathbb Q$ being a field due to the existence of multiplicative inverses for all non-zero elements.
  • Questions are raised about the necessity of the multiplicative identity being distinct from the zero-element, with references to formal definitions and properties of fields.
  • One participant discusses the implications of dropping the requirement that "1 ≠ 0," suggesting that it would lead to a field with only a single member.
  • Some texts are mentioned that replace the condition "1 ≠ 0" with "the field contains more than one element."

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Participants express varying views on the definitions and implications of rings and fields, with no consensus reached on the necessity of certain conditions or the interpretations of definitions.

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The discussion highlights limitations in definitions and assumptions, particularly regarding the multiplicative identity and its relationship to the zero-element, which may depend on the specific text or context referenced.

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What are the differences between ring and field?
It's for an article that I write.
 
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roni said:
What are the differences between ring and field?
It's for an article that I write.

Hi roni,

A field has more conditions/axioms than a ring.
In particular all elements in a field, except the zero-element ($0$), must have a multiplicative inverse.
And multiplication in a field must be commutative.
Depending on the text you have, a ring may need to have a multiplicative identity ($1$) or not. Either way, a field must have it, and it must be distinct from the zero-element ($0$).

So for instance $\mathbb Z$ is a ring but not a field, since for instance $2$ does not have a multiplicative inverse.
And $\mathbb Q$ is a field, since every non-zero element in it does have a multiplicative inverse.
In this example of a ring ($\mathbb Z$), multiplication happens to be commutative, and $1$ exists as part of the ring. That's why this example is called a commutative ring with identity.
 
Thanks...
I have a question:
Why the multiplicative indentity (1) distincit from the zero-element (0)?
 
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roni said:
I have a question:
Why the multiplicative indentity (1) distincit from the zero-element (0)?

Formally it is because it says so in the definition of a Field:
Additive and multiplicative identity: there exist two different elements 0 and 1 in F such that a + 0 = a and a · 1 = a.


The rationale is that a field is supposed to be a group with respect to multiplication - excluding the zero-element.
It can't be if 1 and 0 are the same element. After all, we already know that 0 does not have an inverse, which follows from the distributive properties.

The definition of a Ring does not have this restriction - assuming it does have a multiplicative identity. But then a ring is not a group with respect to multiplication to begin with.
 
If one drops the requirement that "[math]1\ne 0[/math]" what happens?

By the definition of 0, we have that x+ 0= x for all x. Since this a field we have the distributive law: y(x+ z)= yx+ yz. Taking z= 0, y(x+ 0)= yx+ y0. But x+ 0 = x so we have yx= yx+ y0. Since "cancelation" works in a field, y0= 0 for all y. But if 0= 1, the multiplicative identity, then y1= y. Together, those give y= 0 for all y. That is, if we allow the additive identity and multiplicative identities in a field to be the same element of the field, the field would have only a single member.

Some texts replace the condition that "[math]1\ne 0[/math]" in the definition of a field with "the field contains more that one element".
 

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