Ripple Voltage Derivation (Full-Wave Rectifier)

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The discussion revolves around deriving the ripple voltage of a full-wave rectifier with a capacitor-input filter. Participants explore the mathematical formulation and assumptions involved in the derivation process, focusing on the behavior of the capacitor voltage during the rectification process.

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  • Homework-related
  • Mathematical reasoning
  • Technical explanation

Main Points Raised

  • The initial attempt at a solution includes an expression for the capacitor voltage, v_{C}, and its minimum value, v_{C(min)}, derived from the peak rectified voltage, V_{p(rect)}.
  • One participant points out that the approximation e^{-T/R_LC} approaches 1 - \frac{T}{R_LC} is based on the series expansion for e^x.
  • Another participant questions the terminology used in the problem statement, suggesting that "capacitor-output filter" may be more accurate than "capacitor-input filter."
  • There is a mention of the condition T << RC, which is noted as a common requirement to minimize ripple in full-wave rectifiers with output filter capacitors.
  • Participants discuss the implications of the T << RC approximation, indicating that it simplifies the mathematical analysis of the ripple voltage.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the mathematical approach and the use of series expansion, but there is some disagreement regarding the terminology of the filter type and the assumptions about T and RC, which are not universally applicable.

Contextual Notes

The discussion highlights the dependency on the assumption T << RC, which may not hold in all scenarios involving full-wave rectifiers with output filter capacitors. The implications of this assumption on the derivation are acknowledged but not resolved.

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Homework Statement



Derive the ripple voltage of a full-wave rectifier with a capacitor-input filter.

Homework Equations



ripple_voltage.jpg


Where V_{r(pp)} is the peak-to-peak ripple voltage and V_{DC} is the dc (average) value of the filter's output voltage.

And V_{p(rect)} is the unfiltered peak rectified voltage.

The Attempt at a Solution



v_{C}=V_{p(rect)}e^{-t/R_LC}

t_{dis}\approx T when v_C reaches its minimum value.

v_{C(min)}=V_{p(rect)}e^{-T/R_LC}

Since RC&gt; &gt; T, T/R_LC becomes much less than 1 and e^{-T/R_LC} approaches 1 and can be expressed as

e^{-T/R_LC}\approx 1-\frac{T}{R_LC}


Therefore,

v_{C(min)}=V_{p(rect)}\left ( 1-\frac{T}{R_LC} \right )

V_{r(pp)}=V_{p(rect)}-V_{C(min)}=V_{p(rect)}-V_{p(rect)}+\frac{V_{p(rect)}T}{R_LC}=\frac{V_{p(rect)}T}{R_LC}=\left ( \frac{1}{fR_LC} \right )V_{p(rect)}

My issue is with the approximation that I bolded above. If e^0 approaches 1, then how does the expression e^{-T/R_LC} approach 1-\frac{T}{R_LC}?
 
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Those are the first 2 terms of the series expansion for e^x

BTW, in your initial problem statement, that should be "with a capacitor-output filter", not "input" filter, right?

Also, are you given as part of the problem statement that T << RC? That's certainly not always the case for FWRs with output filter caps. If you want to minimize ripple, that is a requirement though.
 
Berkeman,

Thanks for clarifying about the series expansion of e^x.

The text does say "For a full-wave rectifier with a capacitor-input filter..." I took "input" to mean that the capacitor takes the full-wave rectified input waveform and transforms it into a ripple waveform.

The T << RC approximation is simply given as "which is usually the case..." In the chapter I'm studying, it is an introduction to diodes/rectifier circuits and the goal is to get DC waveform that is as close to a horizontal line (constant voltage) as possible.
 
Got it, thanks for the clarifications. And yeah, being able to assume T << RC simplifies the math a lot! :smile:
 

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