RLC AC circuit can't get right answer

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Homework Help Overview

The discussion revolves around an RLC AC circuit problem involving calculations for impedance (Z), phase angle, and voltages across circuit elements at a specific time. The original poster presents their initial calculations and seeks clarification on the correct application of phase angles in their voltage calculations.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • The original poster attempts to calculate voltages across the inductor, capacitor, and resistor, questioning the role of phase angles in these calculations. They express uncertainty about when to add or subtract the phase angle in their sine functions.

Discussion Status

Participants engage in clarifying the use of phase angles in calculations. Some suggest that the phase angle should be added or subtracted based on whether the current leads or lags the voltage, while others express confusion about this rule. There is an exploration of different interpretations regarding the application of phase angles in the context of the circuit.

Contextual Notes

Participants note discrepancies in their calculations and assumptions about the phase angle's role, leading to ongoing discussions about the correct approach. The original poster mentions an error in omitting the phase angle in their calculations, indicating a need for further clarification on this aspect.

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Homework Statement


R=250 L=6 C=15microf e(t)=300sin(50pi t) Find Z, phase angle, lead/lag, emf(215ms) (got all of this right) Voltage across inductor, capacitor and resistor, also show that the sum of the voltage across the elements at 215ms is equal to total emf at 215ms.

Homework Equations


XL=942 Xc=424 XL>Xc therefore current lags voltage, phase angle 1.12 rad emf@215ms=212V
Z=575ohm

The Attempt at a Solution


Up to this point I have everything correct. While solving the VL,Vc,Vr I use
VL=ImaxXL sin(wt+pi/2) = -339
Vc=ImaxXc sin(wt-pi/2) = 155
Vr=ImaxR sin(wt)= 91

I got Imax from Emax/Z = 0.52A.
emf(215ms)=300sin (50pi . 215 . 10^-3)= 212 . VL+Vc+Vr should be equal to emf at that time, mine does not equal to that.
What did I do wrong? Am I supposed to use the phase angle somewhere while calculating the voltage across the capacitor, inductor and resistance at a particular time( 215ms in this case)?

Edit:Also when using the phase angle, do we add or subtract it to (wt) depending on if the current is leading or lagging the voltage? How does that actually work out? Like what is a good way to decide + or - phase angle?
 
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Ok I found my own mistake, I am omitting the phase angle at the last calculations. It needs to be added or subtracted inside the sin parenthesis.
I still don't know when to add and when to subtract though, so if someone can clear that up that would be great.
 
Hmm, I think if Xc>XL then its a capacitive circuit, current leads voltage, you subtract the phase angle, if XL>Xc than its an inductive circuit, current lags voltage so you add the phase angle, above question XL>Xc so let's add the phase angle. and try it...
 
Dang it its the exact opposite, so if current leads you add the phase angle if current lags you subtract the phase angle.
VL=152
Vc=-68
Vr=122
total is 206volts emf at that time 212 volts, close enough for me. So I guess this is solved.
 
No the above statement is also wrong, for some reason that I do not know, phase angle is always subtracted. No matter if current leads or lags. I think the sign is decided by the sign of the phase angle anyways, which gets it from the phase angle = inversetan((Xl-Xc)/R). So no need to compensate for it again.

Now its solved :)

Ps: I just had a conversation with my self for about 30 minutes on a public forum, I think it is time to take a break from studying for the physics final...
 
Before I go by the way tested the above method on one more problem and it works, so its good.
 

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