Road Safety Calculus: Calculating Safe Distances

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The discussion revolves around calculating safe distances for a pedestrian crossing a two-way carriageway that is 9 meters wide, considering vehicle speeds and pedestrian capabilities. The context involves highway engineering and safety calculations under specific speed limits and conditions.

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  • Participants discuss the implications of the 85th percentile speed exceeding the limit and the pedestrian's crossing time. There are attempts to calculate distances based on vehicle speed and reaction time, while others question the methodology and the assumptions regarding pedestrian speed and vehicle deceleration.

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Participants are exploring various interpretations of the problem, with some providing calculations and others questioning the assumptions made. There is no explicit consensus on the approach, and several points of clarification regarding the parameters of the problem have been raised.

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There are uncertainties regarding whether the pedestrian must cross without the driver braking, the pedestrian's speed, and the need for deceleration information. Additionally, the distinction between maximum and minimum distance requirements is under discussion.

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Hi I am starting as a highway engineer. My work college has given me this to try any help woul dbe great.

A pedestrian requires to cross a two-way carriageway which is 9 metres wide to
access a railway station. Given that the road is subject to a 30mph speed limit,
wherein the V85% speed exceeds the limit by 24% and the pedestrian has good
physical and cognitive skills, calculate the maximum distance away from the crossingpoint that an approaching vehicle will need to be in order for the pedestrian to safely
complete the crossing movement. Present your methodology and the calculations
you used to determine your answer.

Calculating Safe Distances: s =u.t + ½ a.t²




v2 – u

s = v.t + s = -------------
2.µ.g
 
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hi thebest99! :wink:
thebest99 said:
A pedestrian requires to cross a two-way carriageway which is 9 metres wide to access a railway station. Given that the road is subject to a 30mph speed limit, wherein the V85% speed exceeds the limit by 24% and the pedestrian has good physical and cognitive skills, calculate the maximum distance away from the crossingpoint that an approaching vehicle will need to be in order for the pedestrian to safely complete the crossing movement. Present your methodology and the calculations you used to determine your answer.

first, present your methodology :smile:
 
What i have worked out :

85th speed exceeds the limit by 24% = 37.mph.

travels at 16.63 m/s

average driver reaction time 1.5 seconds

16.63 x 9 = 149.67 m/s x 1.5 = 224.5

am i on the right wave lengths here, thanks for any help
 
thebest99 said:
travels at 16.63 m/s

average driver reaction time 1.5 seconds

16.63 x 9

no, you've multiplied the car's speed by the pedestrian's distance

speed times distance wouldn't give you anything anyway (the result would be in metres-squared per second!)

find the time it takes the pedestrian to cross, and then how far away the car must be not to reach the crossing in that time :wink:
 
There seems to be some information missing.
First, it's not clear whether the pedestrian is supposed to be getting across without the driver having to brake. If so, we need to know the pedestrian's speed. Conversely, we don't care about deceleration or thinking time.
If this is a pedestrian crossing, so the driver is supposed to stop, we need to know the car's deceleration, but we don't care about the width of the crossing.
Btw, it should be asking for the minimum distance, not the maximum. There is no upper limit.
 

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