Rock tossed straight up-Velocity question

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The problem involves a rock tossed straight up with an initial speed of 21 m/s that falls into a 15 m deep hole. Participants are discussing how to determine the rock's velocity upon impact with the bottom of the hole and the total time the rock is in the air.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Mathematical reasoning

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • The original poster attempts to use kinematic equations to find the time of flight and the final velocity but expresses uncertainty about the correct approach for calculating the velocity at the bottom of the hole.
  • Some participants suggest using different equations of motion and emphasize the importance of considering the rock's motion from its highest point.
  • Questions arise regarding the treatment of initial velocity and the effects of gravity on the rock's descent.

Discussion Status

Participants are actively engaging with the problem, offering guidance on equations and clarifying the setup. There is a recognition of the need to adjust the initial conditions for the downward motion, but no consensus on a final solution has been reached.

Contextual Notes

The original poster mentions being under time pressure with limited attempts remaining in an online homework system, which may influence their approach to the problem.

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Homework Statement



A rock is tossed straight up with a speed of 21 m/s. When it returns, it falls into a hole 15 m deep. What is the rock's velocity as it hits the bottom of the hole? How long is the rock in the air, from the instant it is released until it hits the bottom of the hole?

Homework Equations



d = vit + (0.5)at^2

The Attempt at a Solution



d= 15 m
a= 9.8
vf=
vi= -21 m/s
t=

I was able to find the time by plugging in:

15= (-21)t+4.9t^2

which was a quadratic, so it turned out to be 4.9 seconds

I'm just not sure about how to find the velocity at the bottom of the hole. I've been trying for about an hour now and this one problem is driving me mad.

I think the initial velocity would change to 0 and the acceleration due to gravity would still be the same. I tried using v=vo+at but I got a wrong answer. (V=0+9.8*4.9=48)

I'm using masteringphysics so I can try answers to see if they are correct, but I'm on my last attempt and I'm pretty desperate.

Please explain to me what I am doing wrong and help me solve this problem!
 
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You almost had it.

It is V = Vo - g*t

According to the statement though the initial Vo is 21 m/s UP.

So your answer will likely need to be expressed as minus, as the equation yields.

V = 21 - 9.8*(4.9)
 
You only want to consider the downward motion of the rock starting from it's highest point (when it stops the upward motion). The only acceleration will be due to gravity. Don't forget to add the extra depth for the hole.
 
Thank you so much! I really appreciate it!
 

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