Role of Fine Structure Constant in Q.E.D.?

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The discussion revolves around the role of the fine structure constant and the fundamental electric charge in the context of electromagnetic (EM) theory, specifically within quantum electrodynamics (Q.E.D.). Participants explore the definitions, implications, and relationships between these constants, touching on their dimensionality and the impact of unit systems.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants question why there are two coupling constants for the EM field, suggesting that the fine structure constant is the true coupling constant, while the fundamental electric charge is dependent on the choice of units.
  • Others argue that the fundamental electric charge cannot be considered fundamental due to its variability based on definitions from different conferences.
  • A participant notes that in the newest SI, the elementary charge has been defined to take a fixed value, while the permittivity of the vacuum must still be measured, indicating that the fine structure constant is a derived quantity.
  • Some contributions clarify that the fine structure constant in SI units is treated as a measured physical constant, which affects the values of other constants like the permittivity and permeability of vacuum.
  • There is a discussion about the changes in the SI system and how the definitions of constants like the elementary charge and permeability have evolved, with references to the implications for the accuracy of measurements.
  • Participants express uncertainty about the implications of these changes on the relationships between constants and the definitions of units.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express multiple competing views regarding the nature of the fine structure constant and the fundamental electric charge, with no consensus reached on their definitions or implications in the context of the SI system.

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Limitations include the dependence on definitions of constants, the historical context of the SI system, and the unresolved nature of how changes in the SI affect the relationships between these constants.

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Why are BOTH the FSC and the fundamental electric charge, e, both described as coupling constants for the EM field?
Why, in a nutshell, are there two coupling constants for the EM field, the fundamental electric charge, e, and the Fine Structure Constant? If a brief answer is not possible, can you recommend good literature on this subject?

Thanks in advance.
 
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LarryS said:
Why, in a nutshell, are there two coupling constants for the EM field, the fundamental electric charge, e, and the Fine Structure Constant?
There aren't. There is just one, but which numerical value you use depends on what specific version of the relevant equations you are using.

From an "in principle" standpoint, the fine structure constant is "the" coupling constant for the EM field, since it is the one that is independent of any choice of units; it's a dimensionless number. The fundamental electric charge is not a dimensionless number (or at least not in all systems of units, but it is in at least one--see below); it depends on your choice of units, and from an "in principle" standpoint is best viewed as a "translation" of the "true" coupling constant, the fine structure constant, into systems of equations that, for both historical and practical reasons, are more frequently used by many people who want to solve problems involving the EM field.

Note that in "natural" units, in which ##\hbar = c = 1##, we have ##\alpha = e^2 / 4 \pi##, so both numbers are dimensionless and which one you pick as "the coupling constant" is just a matter of preference and doesn't change any of the physics.
 
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"The fundamental electric charge, e" cannot be fundamental because it can have many numerical values, depending on which which conference defines it. Defining e^2 in terms of alpha works, but removes e as a 'fundamental' unit in SI.
 
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In the newest SI ##e##, the elementary charge, has been defined to take a fixed value defining the base unit of electric current, the Ampere. Also Plancks quantum of action, ##h##, and also the vacuum speed of light, ##c##, take defined values in the SI, but the permittivity of the vacuum, ##\epsilon_0##, must be measured, ##\alpha=e^/4\pi \epsilon_0\hbar c## is a derived quantity within the SI.
 
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vanhees71 said:
the permittivity of the vacuum, ##\epsilon_0##, must be measured, ##\alpha=e^/4\pi \epsilon_0\hbar c## is a derived quantity within the SI.
I think it would be more accurate to say that ##\alpha## in SI units is not treated as a "physical constant" whose value is fixed by the system of units; it is treated as a measured physical constant, whose measured value determines the value of ##\epsilon_0## and ##\mu_0##.
 
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I used to joke about doing that. Nature can be fooled. The only joke I have left is measuring pi, but we did that in 7th grade.
 
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vanhees71 said:
Also Plancks quantum of action, ##h##, and also the vacuum speed of light, ##c##, take defined values in the SI, but the permittivity of the vacuum, ##\epsilon_0##, must be measured, ##\alpha=e^/4\pi \epsilon_0\hbar c^2## is a derived quantity within the SI.
I don't think this is correct. The permittivity of the vacuum must still satisfy the relation ## \epsilon_0 \mu_0 c^2 = 1 ##, and also ## \mu_0 = 4 \pi × 10^{-7} {\rm Vs/Am} ## is still exact. With the values from the Wikipedia page on the SI system I calculated the inverse fine structure constant ## 1 / \alpha ## as ## 137.035999 ##. I suppose that the definition of the electron charge (i.e. the Ampere) will be revised when a more accurate determination of the fine structure constant becomes available.
 
No, that was due to the "old SI" valid till 2019. There they fixed indeed ##\mu_0=4 \pi \cdot 10^{-7} \text{Vs}/\text{Am}## due to the old definition of the Ampere. In this version, indeed since also ##c## has been fixed in the way it still is, i.e., via ##\nu_{\text{Cs}}## and the definition of the m via fixing the value of ##c##.

This is now changed by fixing the elementary charge, ##e##, now. BTW the changes of the units by this change of the SI are largest for the elecromagnetic units (order of ##10^{-9}##, if I remember right).

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vacuum_permeability

The idea of the "new SI" is to change the fundamental constants not anymore. They are defined once and for all at fixed values to be considered exact. These are ##\nu_{\text{Cs}}## (the hyperfine transition frequency of Cs-133), ##c## (speed of light in vacuo, or rather the "limiting speed" of relativity), ##h## (Planck's quantum of action), ##N_{\text{A}}## (Avogadro constant), ##k_{\text{B}}## (Boltzmann constant), together defining the 6 physical base units of the SI, i.e., the second (s), the metre (m), the mass (kg), the mole (mol), and the Kelvin (K).

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SI_base_unit

What may improve with is the accuracy of the realization of the units. For sure, alreadt now time can be more accurately measured than via the hyperfine transition of Cesium, using optical atomic clocks or, maybe soon, nuclear clocks (Thorium).

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atomic_clock
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuclear_clock
 
vanhees71 said:
No, that was due to the "old SI" valid till 2019. There they fixed indeed ##\mu_0=4 \pi \cdot 10^{-7} \text{Vs}/\text{Am}## due to the old definition of the Ampere.
Thanks for the clarification. I'm still surprised that this relation is no longer exact (with the volt suitably defined). But there's only a finite number of constraints that can be satisfied.

https://arxiv.org/pdf/1610.02910
In the revised SI the value of ## \mu_0 / 4 \pi ## will still be ## 10^{-7} {\rm N/A^2} ## at the time of adoption (see Table II), but subsequently the value of ## \mu_0 / \alpha ## will be fixed. The recommended value and uncertainty of ## \mu_0 / \alpha ## must then evolve in perfect correlation with improved experimental determinations of ## \alpha ##.
## \alpha = \mu_0 c e^2 / 2h ##
 
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