Rolling motion of Cylinders and Plank on a Slope

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The discussion revolves around the dynamics of a system consisting of a thin plank and two solid cylindrical rollers on a slope. The original poster seeks to derive expressions for the initial accelerations of both the plank and the rollers, while addressing various aspects of motion and forces involved in the system.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning, Problem interpretation, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the need for separate free-body diagrams for each rigid body, questioning the assumptions made about forces acting on the cylinders and the plank.
  • There are inquiries about the correct representation of forces in the diagrams and the implications of the plank's position on the system's dynamics.
  • Some participants express uncertainty regarding the interpretation of the problem statement and the requirements for part (b) of the question.

Discussion Status

The discussion is ongoing, with participants providing feedback on diagram representations and questioning assumptions about forces. There is a focus on clarifying the relationships between the components of the system and the need for systematic manipulations of the stated relationships. No consensus has been reached yet, and multiple interpretations are being explored.

Contextual Notes

Participants note the complexity of the problem due to the interactions between the plank and the rollers, as well as the changing dynamics as the system moves. There is mention of differing answers among peers, indicating potential confusion or varied interpretations of the problem requirements.

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Homework Statement


A thin plank of mass M is placed centrally across two solid cylindrical rollers each
of mass m, and the system is allowed to move freely from rest without slip down a
slope of angle θ as shown in the figure below.
(a) Derive expressions for the initial accelerations of the plank and the roller.
Your solution should include the following in a systematic way: Marks
(i) Identification of the types of ensuing motions of the plank and
the rollers,
(ii) free-body, kinematic and kinetic diagrams with an appropriate
global axes system clearly shown,
(iii) statements of relevant kinematic and kinetic relationships with
reference to your chosen global axes system in (ii), and
(iv) clear, logical and systematic manipulations of the relationships
you have stated in (iii) above to arrive at the desired results.
(b) Using the results you have obtained in part (a)(iv) above, explain
whether the acceleration of the plank changes as the system
moves so that the plank is no longer in the central position.

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Homework Equations


F=Ma
M=I

The Attempt at a Solution


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Correction to the last image (7) should equal a(G) not a(r)
Answers that I have are equations 7 and 8
So I am not sure if I have done this right so I am asking if someone could verify if correct explain the process that I should be using if I'm not. I have different answers to a friend doing the same question as well.
I am also unsure of what B is asking me to do.

Thanks in Anticipation
 

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Relevant equations bugged out. M=I(Alpha)
 
There should be a separate free body diagram for each rigid body. It should show only forces that apply directly to that body. E.g in the FBD for a roller there should not appear an Mg force; rather, a label for an unknown force or forces from the plank.
That approach would have avoided an error in your very first diagram.

Also, although the initial situation is the same for both rollers, it will not be true thereafter.
 
So like this?
 

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Kingster426 said:
So like this?
That's better, but you seem to be making an unwarranted assumption about the force between the cylinder and the plank.
 
Vertically down on the cylinder at the point of contact instead of at an angle?
 
Kingster426 said:
Vertically down on the cylinder at the point of contact instead of at an angle?
That's still an assumption. At this stage you have no firm basis for saying which way the force goes at that contact. Leave it open, e.g. as a normal and a tangential component.
 
Okay I then have to draw one for the plank? Also, any thoughts/help on part 4 of the part A?
 
Kingster426 said:
Okay I then have to draw one for the plank? Also, any thoughts/help on part 4 of the part A?
At some point you need to write down equations based on the FBDs. I'm not sure whether this is supposed to be in part iii or part iv, but please post an attempt.
 

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