Rolling Solid Disk: Angular Speed, Energy Loss, & Distance

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The discussion revolves around a problem involving a uniform solid disk that is set into rotation and then placed in contact with a horizontal surface. Participants are exploring concepts related to angular speed, energy loss, and the conditions for pure rolling motion.

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  • The original poster attempts to analyze the problem using Newton's laws and conservation of energy, raising questions about the calculations for angular speed and energy loss.
  • Some participants question the assumptions made regarding the relationship between the distances moved by the center of the disk and the point of contact, as well as the nature of motion before pure rolling occurs.
  • Others suggest considering the acceleration of the disk and the forces acting on it to clarify the dynamics involved.
  • There is a discussion about the correct calculation of the fractional loss in kinetic energy, with one participant questioning the original poster's result.

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The discussion is ongoing, with participants providing insights and questioning assumptions. Some guidance has been offered regarding the acceleration and the nature of motion before pure rolling, but there is no explicit consensus on the calculations or interpretations presented.

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Participants are navigating the complexities of rotational dynamics and energy conservation, with specific attention to the effects of friction and the conditions for rolling without slipping. There are indications of confusion regarding the calculations and the definitions of energy loss in the context of the problem.

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I have attempted to solve this question and I got stuck at the last part. Here you go.

A uniform solid disk is set into rotation with an angular speed X about an axis through its center. While still rotating at this speed, the disk is placed into contact with a horizontal surface and released.

(a) What is the angular speed of the disk once pure rolling takes place?
(b) Find the fractional loss in kinetic energy from the time the disk is released until pure rolling occurs.
(c) Furthermore, assume that the coefficient of friction between disk and surface is u. Show that the time interval before pure rolling motion occurs is RX/3ug
(d) Show that the distance the disk travels before pure rolling occurs is (RX)^2 / (18ug)

For part (a), I assumed a constant frictional force acting at the point of contact until pure rolling occurs. Say the force = F, final angular velocity = Y, and t = duration of the force. Moment of inertia of the disk = 0.5MR^2

Using Newton's Second Law (both linear and rotational),

Ft = Mv = MRY ... (1)
FRt = (0.5MR^2)(X-Y)

Equating the two equations,
0.5X - 0.5Y = Y
1.5Y = 0.5X
Y = 1/3 X

(b) Have calculated the fractional loss as 2/3.

(c) Using equation (1), uMgt = MR(1/3 X)
t = RX/3ug

(d) I couldn't solve this part. I tried to apply conservation of energy for the loss of energy due to friction.

Let the distance traveled be s and F be the frictional force.
Fs = uMgs = loss of energy = (2/3)(0.5 x 0.5MR^2 x X^2) = (1/6 MR^2X^2)
s = (1/6 MR^2X^2) / uMg = (1/6 R^2X^2) / ug

My answers are correct for part a,b,c
Couldn't get the coefficient as 1/18 as required by question :(
Someone please tell me what's going wrong :(
 
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You cannot assume that the distance the center of the disk moves is the same as the distance the surfaces slip. But there's an easier way: What's the acceleration of the disk?
 
Acceleration of the center of mass? Do u mean I'll have to solve it using kinematics equations?

Before pure rolling occurs, what happens to the disk actually? slipping+rolling? i couldn't imagine how smth slip and roll at the same time. anything to help me picture that?
 
lx2 said:
Acceleration of the center of mass?
Yes.
Do u mean I'll have to solve it using kinematics equations?
Solve what? For the distance, sure. To get the acceleration, consider the force that acts. Hint: You already have the time.

Before pure rolling occurs, what happens to the disk actually? slipping+rolling? i couldn't imagine how smth slip and roll at the same time. anything to help me picture that?
Yes, rolling and slipping until the translational speed is increased enough for rolling without slipping.
 
I got u. Thanks!
 
Hi. I'm sorry for bumping this old thread. I was wondering about something in his workings. For part B, the fractional loss is not 2/3 right? 2/3 is just the loss in rotational energy.

The total loss in K.E will be Initial rot. energy - final rot. energy - final translational energy?

Thanks.
EDIT:

Is the fractional loss in K.E 1/6?
 
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