Root mean square (RMS) of a sinc function

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The discussion revolves around the root mean square (RMS) value of the sinc function, exploring its implications and calculations. Participants examine the definition of RMS, particularly in the context of aperiodic functions, and consider approximations for the sinc function.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant states the RMS of a sine function and attempts to derive the RMS for the sinc function.
  • Another participant claims that the RMS value of the sinc function is zero, providing a mathematical argument based on an integral approach.
  • A subsequent reply questions the relevance of the RMS value when considering finite intervals, suggesting that the sinc function's non-periodicity complicates the discussion.
  • Another participant emphasizes that the sinc function has finite total energy spread over an infinite interval, leading to an RMS value of zero.
  • One participant proposes an approximation for the sinc function based on RMS, suggesting that it behaves like a periodic function with decreasing amplitude.
  • Another participant offers a potential RMS approximation for the sinc function but notes that it is not square-integrable, raising concerns about its utility.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the RMS value of the sinc function, with some asserting it is zero while others question the implications of this result, particularly in finite contexts. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the appropriateness of RMS for aperiodic functions.

Contextual Notes

The discussion highlights limitations in defining RMS for aperiodic functions and the dependence on the choice of interval for calculations. There are unresolved mathematical steps regarding the integral evaluations and approximations proposed.

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Given that the root mean square (RMS) of a sine function is as follows:

RMS of (a*sin([tex]\omega[/tex]*r) = a / [tex]\sqrt{}2[/tex]

Let a = 1/[tex]\omega[/tex]

Thus

RMS of ((1/[tex]\omega[/tex])*sin([tex]\omega[/tex]*r)) = 1 / ([tex]\omega[/tex]*[tex]\sqrt{}2[/tex])

But for sinc([tex]\omega[/tex]*x), what is formula for the RMS?
 
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The rms value of sinc is zero.

I'll define rms as
[tex]f_{rms} = \sqrt{ \lim_{a \to \infty} \frac{1}{2a} \int_{-a}^{a} f(x)^2 \,dx }.[/tex]
Let's find the rms for sinc(x). The integral here is
[tex]\int_{-a}^{a} \frac{\sin^2 x}{x^2} \,dx[/tex]
[tex]= \int_{-a}^{-1} \frac{\sin^2 x}{x^2} \,dx + \int_{-1}^{1} \frac{\sin^2 x}{x^2} \,dx + \int_{1}^{a} \frac{\sin^2 x}{x^2} \,dx[/tex]
[tex]\le \int_{-a}^{-1} \frac{1}{x^2} \,dx + \int_{-1}^{1} 1 \,dx + \int_{1}^{a} \frac{1}{x^2} \,dx[/tex]
[tex]= 4 - \frac2a < 4.[/tex]

Thus, the rms value of sinc is
[tex]\sqrt{ \lim_{a \to \infty} \frac{1}{2a} \int_{-a}^{a} \frac{\sin^2 x}{x^2} \,dx } \le \sqrt{ \lim_{a \to \infty} \frac{1}{2a} 4 } = 0.[/tex]
 
Thanks
 
I understand the case when a approaches infinity, but what about the case where "a" is a finite number?
 
redtree said:
I understand the case when a approaches infinity, but what about the case where "a" is a finite number?

The sinc function is not periodic, in other words it's period is infinity. That's why adriank found it's RMS value to be zero. Think of it this way, it's got a finite total energy that is spread over an infinite time interval, the result is an RMS value of zero.

In many ways it doesn't really make a lot of sense to even talk about the RMS value of an aperiodic function like that. What exactly is your application?
 
I want to find a good approximation for the following function:
a = k * sinc( pi k r) = sin (pi k r) / (pi r)

One approximation would be the following
a = 1 / (pi r)

But I think a better approximation is based on RMS. My feeling is that the sinc funciton above is a periodic function, though with decreasing amplitude as a function of r and therefore can be approximated using RMS.
 
Well, the rms value of sin is [itex]1/\sqrt{2}[/itex], so you might guess
[tex]a = \frac{1}{\sqrt{2} \lvert \pi r \rvert}.[/tex]
It doesn't seem very useful though. It's not square-integrable, for instance.
 

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