Root mean square (RMS) of a sinc function

In summary, the conversation discusses the root mean square (RMS) of a sine function and its formula, which is a / \sqrt{}2. The formula for the RMS of sinc(\omega*x) is also discussed, with the conclusion that its value is zero due to the function's aperiodic nature. The conversation then shifts to finding a good approximation for the sinc function, with one approximation being 1 / (pi r) and another being based on the RMS value of sin. However, it is noted that the sinc function is not square-integrable, making these approximations not very useful.
  • #1
redtree
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Given that the root mean square (RMS) of a sine function is as follows:

RMS of (a*sin([tex]\omega[/tex]*r) = a / [tex]\sqrt{}2[/tex]

Let a = 1/[tex]\omega[/tex]

Thus

RMS of ((1/[tex]\omega[/tex])*sin([tex]\omega[/tex]*r)) = 1 / ([tex]\omega[/tex]*[tex]\sqrt{}2[/tex])

But for sinc([tex]\omega[/tex]*x), what is formula for the RMS?
 
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  • #2
The rms value of sinc is zero.

I'll define rms as
[tex]f_{rms} = \sqrt{ \lim_{a \to \infty} \frac{1}{2a} \int_{-a}^{a} f(x)^2 \,dx }.[/tex]
Let's find the rms for sinc(x). The integral here is
[tex]\int_{-a}^{a} \frac{\sin^2 x}{x^2} \,dx[/tex]
[tex]= \int_{-a}^{-1} \frac{\sin^2 x}{x^2} \,dx + \int_{-1}^{1} \frac{\sin^2 x}{x^2} \,dx + \int_{1}^{a} \frac{\sin^2 x}{x^2} \,dx[/tex]
[tex]\le \int_{-a}^{-1} \frac{1}{x^2} \,dx + \int_{-1}^{1} 1 \,dx + \int_{1}^{a} \frac{1}{x^2} \,dx[/tex]
[tex]= 4 - \frac2a < 4.[/tex]

Thus, the rms value of sinc is
[tex]\sqrt{ \lim_{a \to \infty} \frac{1}{2a} \int_{-a}^{a} \frac{\sin^2 x}{x^2} \,dx } \le \sqrt{ \lim_{a \to \infty} \frac{1}{2a} 4 } = 0.[/tex]
 
  • #3
Thanks
 
  • #4
I understand the case when a approaches infinity, but what about the case where "a" is a finite number?
 
  • #5
redtree said:
I understand the case when a approaches infinity, but what about the case where "a" is a finite number?

The sinc function is not periodic, in other words it's period is infinity. That's why adriank found it's RMS value to be zero. Think of it this way, it's got a finite total energy that is spread over an infinite time interval, the result is an RMS value of zero.

In many ways it doesn't really make a lot of sense to even talk about the RMS value of an aperiodic function like that. What exactly is your application?
 
  • #6
I want to find a good approximation for the following function:
a = k * sinc( pi k r) = sin (pi k r) / (pi r)

One approximation would be the following
a = 1 / (pi r)

But I think a better approximation is based on RMS. My feeling is that the sinc funciton above is a periodic function, though with decreasing amplitude as a function of r and therefore can be approximated using RMS.
 
  • #7
Well, the rms value of sin is [itex]1/\sqrt{2}[/itex], so you might guess
[tex]a = \frac{1}{\sqrt{2} \lvert \pi r \rvert}.[/tex]
It doesn't seem very useful though. It's not square-integrable, for instance.
 

1. What is the definition of the root mean square (RMS) of a sinc function?

The root mean square (RMS) of a sinc function is a mathematical measure of the average magnitude of the function. It is calculated by taking the square root of the mean of the squared values of the function over a given interval. In simpler terms, it represents the effective or average value of the function over that interval.

2. How is the RMS of a sinc function different from its mean value?

The RMS of a sinc function takes into account both the positive and negative values of the function, while the mean value only looks at the average of the function's values. This means that the RMS can give a more accurate representation of the overall magnitude of the function.

3. What is the significance of the RMS value in signal processing?

The RMS value is often used in signal processing to measure the amplitude or strength of a signal. It is particularly useful in analyzing signals that have both positive and negative values, such as a sine wave. The RMS value can also be used to compare the amplitude of different signals.

4. Can the RMS of a sinc function be negative?

No, the RMS of a sinc function can never be negative. This is because the RMS calculation involves squaring the values of the function, which always results in a positive value. Therefore, the square root of the mean of these squared values will also be positive.

5. How is the RMS of a sinc function related to its maximum and minimum values?

The RMS of a sinc function is related to its maximum and minimum values through the formula RMS = (max-min)/√2. This means that the RMS value is equal to the difference between the maximum and minimum values of the function, divided by the square root of 2. This relationship can be used to calculate the RMS value if the maximum and minimum values of the function are known.

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