Rope-Drive Bicycle: See How It Works!

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The discussion revolves around a new bicycle design that utilizes a rope drive mechanism instead of a traditional chain. Participants explore the operational details, potential advantages, and concerns regarding the system's performance in various conditions.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants express interest in the rope drive design and share resources, including videos that illustrate its operation.
  • Concerns are raised about the clarity of the videos, particularly regarding the mechanics near the rear wheel axis and how the string functions in that area.
  • One participant speculates that a ratcheting mechanism is involved at the rear wheel, suggesting that it allows for forward motion without backward torque during the return stroke.
  • Another participant questions the system's durability in muddy conditions, raising concerns about friction and wear on the components where force is transferred.
  • A historical anecdote about Turing's improvised bicycle repair using string is shared, highlighting creative problem-solving in similar contexts.
  • One participant suggests that the design may not gain widespread acceptance until a differential mechanism is incorporated.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the effectiveness or practicality of the rope drive system, with multiple viewpoints and concerns expressed regarding its operation and potential issues.

Contextual Notes

Participants note limitations in understanding the mechanics from the provided videos, and there is uncertainty regarding the performance of the system under various conditions, such as muddy terrain.

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This looks pretty cool, a new design of bicycle that uses a rope instead of a chain. Here is a PhysOrg article that has some good videos showing how it works:

http://www.physorg.com/news204349619.html

Several videos are linked there, but the best (in terms of understanding the operation) appears just before the words "Another advantage of the system..."
 
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Can't say I was able to understand details. Crank and front part are obvious, but what happens near the wheel axis is a mystery, as it doesn't show how the string behaves at the rear wheel axis.

This one seems better to me:



What I like most is that there is no overlap between these 19 gears, and shifting up/down is always done the same way, no need for tricks with front/back sprockets (I mean combinations of up/down done at the same time).
 
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Can't say I was able to understand details. Crank and front part are obvious, but what happens near the wheel axis is a mystery, as it doesn't show how the string behaves at the rear wheel axis.
It appears to be a ratcheting mechanism at the rear wheel. When the string is pulled forward it drives the rear wheel. During the return stroke, there must be a spring mechanism to rotate the small wheel (that the string is fastened to) backwards and keep the string taught; and if it is a ratcheting mechanism then no backwards torque is applied to the bicycle wheel during the return stroke.

I imagine one would carry a spare set of ropes around, just as I used to always carry a spare inner tube when I used to bicycle regularly.
 
Thanks. What I meant was that I couldn't make details from the first video, after seeing the second one it became obvious.

I am just back from biking, and while traversing a muddy puddle I started to think if it is really as good as they claim in such conditions. There is a strong friction and I would expect strong abrasion in the place where the force is transferred (sorry, my English fails me here). That means fast wear of two elements on each side.
 
This reminded me of one of the stories about Turing, when he was working as a code-breaker in WWII.

His bike chain broke, so tied the ends together with a piece of string (so the ends didn't touch the ground) and pedaled alternately forward and backward the correct number of revolutions so the string never reached the sprockets. This "fix" worked fine for several years, apparently.
 
It won't catch on until they find a way to add a differential, methinks.
 

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