Rotation Problems: Finding Initial Angular Velocity and Angle Turned

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The discussion revolves around problems related to rotational motion, specifically focusing on finding initial angular velocity and the angle turned by objects in motion. The context includes a ring pivoted at a point and a wheel with constant angular acceleration, as well as a comparison of rolling spheres on an inclined plane.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning, Problem interpretation

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants explore the conservation of energy to find initial angular velocity and question how to relate final angular velocity in their calculations. There are attempts to integrate angular acceleration to determine the angle turned, with some expressing confusion over their results.

Discussion Status

Some participants have successfully solved parts of the problems but continue to seek clarification on specific variables and relationships, particularly regarding the rolling spheres and their respective ranges. Guidance has been offered regarding the use of conservation of energy and the relationship between rotational kinetic energies.

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Participants mention constraints such as the requirement for non-slipping conditions and the urgency of preparing for an upcoming test, indicating time pressure in their discussions.

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Homework Statement



1. A ring 1.5 m in diameter is pivoted at one point on its circumference so that it is free to rotate about a horizontal axis. Initially, the line joining the support and center is horizontal. What must be the initial angular velocity be if the ring is to make just a complete revolution ?

2. A wheel starts from rest with a constant angular acceleration of 2.6 rad/s^2 and rolls for 6 s. At the end of that time. (a) Through what angle has the wheel turned ?



Homework Equations



Ei=Ef
[tex]\tau[/tex]=I*[tex]\alpha[/tex]

The Attempt at a Solution



1. I use conservation of energy.

Ei=(1/2)*I*[tex]\omega[/tex]i2

Ef= (1/2)*I*[tex]\omega[/tex]i2

I can calculate I= 2*M*R^2.

I substitute I into the conservation of energy equation and get R*[tex]\omega[/tex]i2 - R*[tex]\omega[/tex]f2= g.

How do I continue to solve for [tex]\omega[/tex]i

2. I integrate the acceleration from 0 to 6 and get the velocity right as 15.6 rad/s. Then to get the angle I integrate velocity from 0 to 6 and get 93.6 rade. However I am wrong. The result should be 46.8 rad. What did I do wrong ? How do I correct it ?
 
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What should I substitue for omega final ??
 
what other varibles you get?
 
That's all I get. I need to solve for omega initial though so I still don't know how to get that.
 
2. I tried to use the way of setting frictional force equal to mgsin[tex]\theta[/tex] and solve for[tex]\theta[/tex] but it was wrong. My teacher told me to use the non slipping condition but how do I relate that condition to angle theta ?
 
So I solved both of these guys successfully.

I have another problem though.

A hollow sphere and unifrom sphere of the same mass m and radius R roll down an inclined plane from the same height H without slipping. Ech is moving horizontally as it leaves the ramp. When the spheres hit the ground, the range of the hollow sphere is L. Find the range L' of the uniform sphere.

I guess I should use conservation of energy here right ?? Any hint ?? Kinda of urgent for test tomorrow.
 
nns91 said:
So I solved both of these guys successfully.

I have another problem though.

A hollow sphere and unifrom sphere of the same mass m and radius R roll down an inclined plane from the same height H without slipping. Ech is moving horizontally as it leaves the ramp. When the spheres hit the ground, the range of the hollow sphere is L. Find the range L' of the uniform sphere.

I guess I should use conservation of energy here right ?? Any hint ?? Kinda of urgent for test tomorrow.

You will want to consider the differences between the rotational kinetic energies - look at the moments of inertia.
 
Thanks. So yeah, I can find out the different in rotational kinetic. Then how should I relate that to the length each thing travel;
 
nns91 said:
Thanks. So yeah, I can find out the different in rotational kinetic. Then how should I relate that to the length each thing travel;

You know the relative V for each and the time to hit the ground is the same.

Since they both take the same amount of time to hit, the L/L' will be in the same ratio as V/V'
 
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