Rotational dynamics of a block in a cone

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The discussion focuses on the dynamics of a block inside a rotating inverted cone, specifically analyzing the conditions under which the block remains at a constant height. Key variables include the mass of the block (m), the angle of the cone (v), the coefficient of static friction (u), and the period of rotation (T). The forces acting on the block include gravity, normal force, and centrifugal force, which must be balanced for the block to remain stationary in the vertical direction. The conversation emphasizes the importance of understanding these forces to determine the minimum and maximum values of T for stability.

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  • Understanding of rotational dynamics and forces
  • Familiarity with static friction and its coefficient (u)
  • Knowledge of basic trigonometry, specifically tangent functions
  • Ability to apply Newton's second law (F=ma) in two dimensions
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1. Homework Statement [/b]

A small block with mass m is placed inside an inverted cone that is rotating about a vertical axis such that the time for one revolution of the cone is T. The walls of the cone make an angle v with the vertical. The coefficient of static friction is between the block and cone is "u". If the block is to remain at a constant height above the apex of the cone, what are the minimum and maximum values of T?

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F=ma

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Hello guys and gals, really am at a loss here.
In order for the block to remain stationary the static friction force (F) must be larger in magnitude than the forces that try to pull it down or push it up, right?
And F is the Normal force multiplied with the coefficient u.
The force required to keep the block stationary in the x-axis is m*4*pi*r/T^2.
To get the radius i take r=h*tanv.
However identifying all this basic stuff is as far i get. I can't get any farther than this.
I can't seem to identify which forces oppose which forces in the x and y axes.
Badly drawn sketch attached.

Any help appreciated.
 

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First, friction force cannot be larger than the force that try to move it up or down, it can only be equal or less. You can think what would happen otherwise. The block isn't stationary in x direction - it's always moving. And i think you forget gravity. Just draw forces on the block - gravity, normal and centrifugal. Then you might get idea why there is minimum and maximum values of T.
 
housemartin said:
First, friction force cannot be larger than the force that try to move it up or down, it can only be equal or less. You can think what would happen otherwise. The block isn't stationary in x direction - it's always moving. And i think you forget gravity. Just draw forces on the block - gravity, normal and centrifugal. Then you might get idea why there is minimum and maximum values of T.

Ok thanks ill give it another try.
 

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