Rotational Energy and momentum help

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The discussion revolves around a physics problem involving a uniform rod and a particle, focusing on rotational energy and momentum. The scenario describes a rod that is free to rotate and a particle that collides with it, with the goal of determining the ratio of lengths L2 to L1 for a specific maximum angle after the collision.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning, Problem interpretation

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss using energy conservation principles to analyze the system, with one participant expressing uncertainty about the next steps after setting up the energy equation. Others inquire about the initial angle of release and the implications of inelastic collision on the problem.

Discussion Status

The discussion is ongoing, with participants exploring different aspects of the problem. Some guidance has been provided regarding the need to consider inelastic collision effects and the use of conservation of work to find speeds. However, there is no explicit consensus on the approach to take next.

Contextual Notes

Participants note the absence of a diagram that could aid in visualizing the problem, and there is a mention of a cubic equation being involved, as suggested by the teacher.

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Homework Statement


A uniform rod of length L1 and mass M = 0.75 kg is supported by a hinge at one end and is free to rotate in the vertical plane (Figure). The rod is released from rest in the position shown. A particle of mass m = 0.5 kg is supported by a thin string of length L2 from the hinge. The particle sticks to the rod on contact. What should be the ratio L2/L1 so that θmax = 60o after the collision?

Homework Equations


Kf − Ki +Uf −Ui = 0

The Attempt at a Solution


I used energy concept to get Kf +Uf −Ui = 1/2(1/3ML)ω^2 +MgL1/2 − MgL1 = 0
I do not know where to go from here though and the teacher said there would be a cubic equation.
 
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mistasong said:

Homework Statement


A uniform rod of length L1 and mass M = 0.75 kg is supported by a hinge at one end and is free to rotate in the vertical plane (Figure). The rod is released from rest in the position shown. A particle of mass m = 0.5 kg is supported by a thin string of length L2 from the hinge. The particle sticks to the rod on contact. What should be the ratio L2/L1 so that θmax = 60° after the collision?

Homework Equations


Kf − Ki +Uf −Ui = 0

The Attempt at a Solution


I used energy concept to get Kf +Uf −Ui = 1/2(1/3ML)ω^2 +MgL1/2 − MgL1 = 0
I do not know where to go from here though and the teacher said there would be a cubic equation.
There is no figure.

From what angle is the rod released?

Also, we've provided icons to facilitate the use of subscripts, X2, and superscripts X2 .
 
You have to take into account inelastic collision. You can use conservation of work to find the speed of the rod just before collision, but you have to do something else to find the speeds after collision... Any ideas?
 

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