Rotational mechanics, angular momentum revision

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The problem involves rotational mechanics, specifically focusing on angular momentum and kinetic energy in a system with a man on a stool and dumbbells. The original poster presents calculations regarding the moment of inertia, angular momentum, and rotational kinetic energy, questioning the conservation of kinetic energy during the process.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking

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  • The original poster attempts to calculate the initial and final moments of inertia and angular velocities, while questioning the conservation of kinetic energy in the context of the system's dynamics.

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Some participants have provided feedback on the calculations and engaged in a discussion about the source of energy involved in moving the dumbbells, indicating a productive exploration of the concepts without reaching a consensus on the implications of energy conservation.

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The discussion includes considerations of energy transformations and the role of internal work done by the man, with an emphasis on the assumptions regarding energy conservation in a closed system.

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Homework Statement



The problem is attached as an image. Note this is from a past exam.

Homework Equations



Conservation of angular momentum.
Rotational kinetic energy.

The Attempt at a Solution



a) The moment of inertia of the man and stool is given as 3 kg m^2, and the dumbells can be considered point masses, so we can just add them all up:

[tex]I_\mathrm{initial} = I_\mathrm{man} + 2I_\mathrm{dumbell~~~ away} = 3 + 2(3 \times 1^2) = 9[/tex]

[tex]I_\mathrm{final} = I_\mathrm{man} + 2I_\mathrm{dumbell ~~~pulled~~~ in} = 3 + 2(3 \times 0.25^2) = 3.375[/tex]

b) The initial angular velocity of the man is [tex]1.5[/tex], and its initial moment of inertia is [tex]9[/tex], so the system's angular momentum is [tex]L = 1.5 \times 9 = 13.5[/tex]. From conservation of angular momentum, the system must have the same angular momentum after the dumbells have been pulled in, so [tex]L = I_\mathrm{final} \omega_\mathrm{final}[/tex]. So [tex]\omega_\mathrm{final} = \frac{L}{I_\mathrm{final}} = \frac{13.5}{3.375} = 4[/tex].

c) Using the rotational kinetic energy formula:

[tex]K_\mathrm{initial} = \frac{1}{2} I_\mathrm{initial} \omega^2_\mathrm{initial} = \frac{1}{2} \times 9 \times 1.5^2 = 10.125 J[/tex]

[tex]K_\mathrm{final} = \frac{1}{2} I_\mathrm{final} \omega^2_\mathrm{final} = \frac{1}{2} \times 3.375 \times 4^2 = 27 J[/tex]

I am note sure I got it right, shouldn't kinetic energy be conserved? Or does some of it go into potential energy because of the increased radius? I mean clearly the guy is going to spin faster, so the extra kinetic energy must be coming from somewhere.

PS: imagine the correct units are in there, I'm just too lazy to type them up in LaTeX :-p
 

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Nono713 said:
I am note sure I got it right, shouldn't kinetic energy be conserved? Or does some of it go into potential energy because of the increased radius? I mean clearly the guy is going to spin faster, so the extra kinetic energy must be coming from somewhere.
Your results look fine.

Where did the energy come from to move the dumbbells? :wink:
 
Does it come from the work done by the man to pull the dumbells in closer? (chemical energy stored in the man's muscles I suppose) - or maybe I'm overthinking it?
 
Nono713 said:
Does it come from the work done by the man to pull the dumbells in closer? (chemical energy stored in the man's muscles I suppose) - or maybe I'm overthinking it?
No, not overthinking; That's correct. So, since mechanical energy is being added by a system-internal source, the kinetic energy will not be conserved.
 
Right, that makes sense! Thanks a lot!
 

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