The inelastic collision between a disk and a rotating platform

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The discussion revolves around an inelastic collision involving a disk and a rotating platform, focusing on the conservation of kinetic energy and angular momentum during the interaction.

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  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Conceptual clarification

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  • Participants explore the conservation of angular momentum and question the conservation of kinetic energy during the collision. They inquire about the forces acting between the disk and platform and the nature of energy dissipation.

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Participants are actively engaging with the concepts of angular momentum and energy dissipation. Some have suggested that friction plays a role in equalizing angular velocities and dissipating energy, while others are seeking clarification on these points.

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There is an ongoing examination of the assumptions related to energy conservation in inelastic collisions and the specific role of friction in this context.

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A FR question in 2019 AP Physics C Exam (Version 2)
Relevant Equations
Rotational Kinetic Energy, Conservation of Angular Momentum
A disk is dropped on a platform rotating at a constant angular speed ##\omega_i## as shown below.
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The question asks whether the final kinetic energy of the platform is conserved. I understand the angular momentum is always conserved provided that the net torque is 0, so I wrote the following equation:
$$I_{platform} \omega_i = (I_{platform}+I_{disk}) \omega_f$$
From this I inferred that ##\frac 1 2 I_{platform} {\omega_i}^2 \neq \frac 1 2 (I_{platform}+I_{disk}) {\omega_f}^2##.

My questions are as follows: Why is the energy not conserved in the collision, and how is the energy dissipated?

Thank you in advance.
 

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What force must act between the platform and the disk in order to equalise their angular velocities? Does this force dissipate mechanical energy into anything else?
 
etotheipi said:
What force must act between the platform and the disk in order to equalise their angular velocities? Does this force dissipate mechanical energy into anything else?
I think it's kinetic friction because the angular speed of the platform decreases as the rotation of the disk speeds up. Am I right?
 
Leo Liu said:
I think it's kinetic friction because the angular speed of the platform decreases as the rotation of the disk speeds up. Am I right?

Yes that's right.

And friction dissipates mechanical energy into thermal energy. Actually, the total work done by friction at the interface, ##W##, is the change in mechanical energy of the system. The change in thermal energy of the system is ##-W##. Energy is conserved... just not KE!
 
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